1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:18,980 --> 00:00:21,140 Where's the cat? 4 00:00:24,660 --> 00:00:26,220 Where is it? 5 00:00:33,540 --> 00:00:35,220 Baby... 6 00:00:35,220 --> 00:00:36,540 I waved to him! 7 00:00:36,540 --> 00:00:37,780 It's red! 8 00:00:37,780 --> 00:00:40,940 I fucking could have made it through there. What the fuck? 9 00:00:41,460 --> 00:00:43,340 That's stupid! 10 00:00:43,340 --> 00:00:45,980 No, because... look, Chris... 11 00:00:45,980 --> 00:00:49,020 There is people in the middle, you will put great traffic... 12 00:00:49,020 --> 00:00:50,860 I would have been on right there. 13 00:00:51,980 --> 00:00:54,860 What's the problem with you? The law is the law. 14 00:00:56,140 --> 00:00:58,500 That's a judgment call, it wasn't red. 15 00:01:11,340 --> 00:01:13,340 You missed a piece... 16 00:01:24,540 --> 00:01:25,780 {\an8} What's up, man? 17 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:28,780 {\an8} I'm selling the box : 30 €. 18 00:01:28,780 --> 00:01:32,740 {\an8} Yeah, but I play electric guitar. I don't play acoustic. 19 00:01:34,820 --> 00:01:39,340 {\an8} I'd put drugs in that thing. I'd put drugs in there. 20 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:43,300 {\an8} "Chris Holmes on Radio Beat!" 21 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:47,180 We've been talking about him during the last hour, 22 00:01:47,180 --> 00:01:52,740 finally, guitarist Chris Holmes is in our studio for the first time ever! 23 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:58,540 Chris, for many people, you are an american rock star who leads a wild life. 24 00:01:58,540 --> 00:02:00,700 What do you think of the way people see you? 25 00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:02,700 I don't really care. 26 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:05,100 They’re not the ones paying my bills. 27 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:10,140 A rock star is somebody like Gene Simmons, 28 00:02:10,140 --> 00:02:12,940 who wants to be... 29 00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:16,700 They walk in the room and: "I'm a rock star." 30 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:19,060 Me, it's a way of life or whatever. 31 00:02:19,060 --> 00:02:21,340 It's a personality, you know. 32 00:02:21,340 --> 00:02:25,260 I don't even have any memorabilia from W.A.S.P. 33 00:02:25,260 --> 00:02:27,980 Nothing. - Nothing left? 34 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:57,420 The biggest part of the sound was Chris' guitar, 35 00:02:57,420 --> 00:03:00,100 and just his attitude, the way he played, man. 36 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:03,740 He was like angry: "Motherfucker...!" 37 00:03:03,740 --> 00:03:07,580 He was angry and that was all part of the fuckin' attitude, man. 38 00:03:07,580 --> 00:03:11,020 Chris is a huge part of the W.A.S.P. sound for sure. 39 00:03:11,020 --> 00:03:13,820 His guitar tone and his parts are huge part of it. 40 00:03:13,820 --> 00:03:16,940 The most metal guy in that band, for sure. 41 00:03:16,940 --> 00:03:21,380 That guy was not messing around, he was living it. 42 00:03:21,380 --> 00:03:24,260 I recognize him as an icon in music. 43 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:26,340 When I first got into heavy-metal, 44 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:34,420 {\an8} W.A.S.P. and especially Chris Holmes, was one of the first inspirational figureheads. 45 00:03:34,420 --> 00:03:37,180 There was Ozzy, this was beyond KISS. 46 00:03:37,180 --> 00:03:39,780 I remember watching those pictures in the magazines, 47 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:46,220 looking at Chris Holmes with the black eyeliner and the big blond hair... 48 00:03:46,220 --> 00:03:47,900 "That's a cool guy, I wanna be him." 49 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:54,020 Chris was like the US version of Lemmy, back in the early 80s. 50 00:03:54,020 --> 00:03:58,980 He was Lemmy, but just more crazy, psycho, 51 00:03:58,980 --> 00:04:00,980 uncontrollable... 52 00:04:00,980 --> 00:04:03,540 That was rock n' roll. 53 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:06,180 That's what the L.A. scene really needed, 54 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:11,140 to take it out of that glam-rock stigma that was going on in L.A. 55 00:04:11,140 --> 00:04:15,420 The first two W.A.S.P. records are still two of my favorite records. 56 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:20,340 {\an8} I remember listening to that, going: "I gotta move to L.A., 57 00:04:20,340 --> 00:04:22,380 'cause that's where that's happening." 58 00:04:22,380 --> 00:04:25,500 Those really inspired me to get my ass out there. 59 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:41,340 My wife and I moved from L.A. to Europe, 60 00:04:41,340 --> 00:04:44,460 so we came to visit her parents, they live in Cannes. 61 00:04:44,460 --> 00:04:46,700 "No, baby, I see you..." 62 00:04:48,260 --> 00:04:51,020 People think that W.A.S.P. was successful or whatever... 63 00:04:51,020 --> 00:04:55,220 Yeah, we sold a lot of records and we were successful, 64 00:04:55,220 --> 00:04:58,380 but I didn't understand how the money worked and all that stuff, 65 00:04:58,380 --> 00:05:02,140 so all the contracts, I guess I signed away... 66 00:05:02,140 --> 00:05:06,380 I didn't even sign away my publishing, I never got any out of it. 67 00:05:06,380 --> 00:05:08,780 Freddie ! 68 00:05:10,980 --> 00:05:13,620 Don't kiss me or I'll fuckin' punch you. 69 00:05:19,380 --> 00:05:24,900 {\an8} My name is Frédéric Bujoli, I've been a lawyer for 15 years. 70 00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:28,820 {\an8} I'm a huge heavy-metal and hard-rock fan. 71 00:05:28,820 --> 00:05:33,820 {\an8} W.A.S.P. was of course one of the big 80s bands we listened to. 72 00:05:33,820 --> 00:05:38,100 {\an8} Chris is now a singer and looking towards the future, 73 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:41,260 {\an8} but we need to restore his rights from his past. 74 00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:47,420 {\an8} Many things have not been settled since 1984. 75 00:05:49,780 --> 00:05:52,540 "Come over here, come here Ug." 76 00:05:52,540 --> 00:05:55,780 Here in France, a lot of people get mad that I don't speak French, 77 00:05:55,780 --> 00:06:00,020 but I don't sing in French. 78 00:06:00,020 --> 00:06:04,780 I'd learn English language first, before I learn French, but I still don't even know that. 79 00:06:04,780 --> 00:06:08,700 It's probably better that I don't understand what they say anyway. 80 00:06:10,340 --> 00:06:12,940 It's probably better that I don't understand it. 81 00:06:12,940 --> 00:06:17,460 Other than talking, there are other languages like this. 82 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:20,540 That. 83 00:06:31,580 --> 00:06:33,140 Yo! 84 00:06:39,860 --> 00:06:45,060 This guy saw me play in L.A. in 1991. 85 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:46,740 1991. 86 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:48,180 A long time ago. 87 00:06:48,180 --> 00:06:50,340 I saw this fuckin' guy on stage. 88 00:06:51,740 --> 00:06:54,340 You can't break it. 89 00:06:54,980 --> 00:06:59,380 Hair dryer... I get my hair dry. 90 00:06:59,860 --> 00:07:03,540 Most of the people I've surrounded myself with in Hollywood, 91 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:08,820 they just care about themselves: "What can you do for me?" 92 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:14,940 Most of all other girls in my life, they really didn't give a crap about my career, 93 00:07:14,940 --> 00:07:17,500 or me playing music, or anything like that. 94 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:21,540 Sarah kinda cared about what I did musically. 95 00:07:21,540 --> 00:07:27,140 {\an8} We spent a whole evening talking. 96 00:07:27,140 --> 00:07:29,980 {\an8} He told me about his life, I told him about mine. 97 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:32,820 {\an8} It was natural and we never left each other. 98 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:37,980 {\an8} Baby, there are people around, you can't do that now. 99 00:07:37,980 --> 00:07:41,300 {\an8} This was my previous wife, before. 100 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:45,180 {\an8} She gives me a hug in the front. 101 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:27,580 We've got ten minutes before my first gig I ever sang in my life. 102 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:31,380 It's kind of a new chapter for me. 103 00:08:35,460 --> 00:08:39,540 It's great now because I don't have to put up with the L.S.D. 104 00:08:39,540 --> 00:08:43,260 It's called Lead Singer Disease. 105 00:08:43,260 --> 00:08:44,820 I've put up with that all my life. 106 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:48,220 I'm not saying that all lead singers are assholes. 107 00:08:48,220 --> 00:08:50,540 A lot of them are. 108 00:08:50,540 --> 00:08:55,300 The lead singer I worked with for years was really hard to work with. 109 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:57,260 That makes the other guys really nice, 110 00:08:57,260 --> 00:08:59,380 even if they're not, right? 111 00:10:29,460 --> 00:10:32,660 I like the part that makes people happy, 112 00:10:32,660 --> 00:10:35,140 makes me put some smile on their face. 113 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:39,300 People bring their own records and want them signed. You've gotta do that. 114 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:44,980 They get to take a picture with somebody they probably never thought they would be able to. 115 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:47,980 You see a lot of people smile and say thanks, 116 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:49,900 I like that. 117 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:51,860 I don't like making people sad. 118 00:10:52,220 --> 00:10:54,860 - Good night! - Thank you! 119 00:10:55,380 --> 00:10:57,500 I am the one and only Blackie Lawless, 120 00:10:57,500 --> 00:11:00,580 and this is Chris Holmes: speak for them, Chris! 121 00:11:00,980 --> 00:11:03,660 Sometimes he has to... stop! 122 00:11:21,340 --> 00:11:24,700 W.A.S.P. were likes of new wave of shock band. 123 00:11:24,700 --> 00:11:26,900 They were really good as well. 124 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:30,540 They took "God of Thunder" by KISS and they built on that. 125 00:11:30,540 --> 00:11:33,580 How could you not love the theatrics? 126 00:11:33,580 --> 00:11:38,460 First time I heard the song "Fuck Like a Beast", I was just on the floor laughing. 127 00:11:38,460 --> 00:11:42,380 {\an8} I was reading the only magazine for popular music in Sweden, growing up, 128 00:11:42,380 --> 00:11:45,860 {\an8} and W.A.S.P. had just come out with their first album, 129 00:11:45,860 --> 00:11:50,620 it was like an uproar in Sweden, everybody was outraged about this new music. 130 00:11:50,620 --> 00:11:53,660 When you paid for your ticket to go watch W.A.S.P., 131 00:11:53,660 --> 00:11:56,140 your shirt was worn-out when you walked out there, 132 00:11:56,140 --> 00:11:59,820 'cause you just got entertained for an hour and a half, in a big way. 133 00:12:16,940 --> 00:12:19,780 The first show they did was like on a Tuesday night. 134 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:25,700 At that time, there was no Internet, no cellphones or big clunky things. 135 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:28,540 They had a couple hundred people from word of mouth. 136 00:12:28,540 --> 00:12:32,140 That's when they tortured the girl on the rack. 137 00:12:32,140 --> 00:12:35,340 The story goes that the next Saturday, they kicked the headliner off, 138 00:12:35,340 --> 00:12:38,780 they put W.A.S.P. on it and 3.000 people came down. 139 00:12:38,780 --> 00:12:40,860 The fire marshalls wanted to shut them down. 140 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:44,660 Blackie's idea was costumes that have weaponry. 141 00:12:44,660 --> 00:12:48,940 He had sawblades, bolts, lag bolts, 142 00:12:48,940 --> 00:12:53,660 and that stupid saw between his legs, I knew that was gonna be trouble. 143 00:12:53,660 --> 00:12:56,700 I heard later he blew himself up one time. 144 00:13:28,940 --> 00:13:32,580 It was scary because who the hell is eating raw meat on stage, 145 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:35,260 and then throwing it at the crowd, and the crowd loving it? 146 00:13:35,260 --> 00:13:38,420 It was insane. I never wanted to be in the front row, 147 00:13:38,420 --> 00:13:40,540 I'd stay in the back because I didn't want to get hit by some raw meat. 148 00:13:40,540 --> 00:13:42,340 {\an8} It was very scary, 149 00:13:42,340 --> 00:13:47,220 {\an8} to see these huge men come out on stage, fire everywhere, smoke going off... 150 00:13:47,220 --> 00:13:50,420 Blackie actually came up with the idea for the fire sign, 151 00:13:50,420 --> 00:13:53,460 but he wanted to do it round, with the name in the middle. 152 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:56,900 I said "no, just frame the name". 153 00:13:56,900 --> 00:13:59,220 Frame the name in big letters, 154 00:13:59,220 --> 00:14:01,460 we'll get fire resistant paint, 155 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:03,940 'cause the letters were just wood, 156 00:14:03,940 --> 00:14:06,980 double-coat so nothing will burn, put bolts in it, 157 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:09,460 scratch'em up a lot, make them look nasty, 158 00:14:09,460 --> 00:14:12,540 and then blow this flame up around 159 00:14:12,540 --> 00:14:16,140 with two 5-gallon tanks of propane, that's one of them right back there. 160 00:14:16,140 --> 00:14:19,180 One of the original propane tanks. 161 00:14:19,180 --> 00:14:22,420 And just doing crazy shit... 162 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:42,860 Chris was wild. 163 00:14:42,860 --> 00:14:44,420 He is a showman. 164 00:14:44,420 --> 00:14:50,420 He could be just tired, not in a good mood or bummed out, 165 00:14:50,420 --> 00:14:55,780 soon as the lights hit, he was an animal. 166 00:14:55,780 --> 00:15:03,020 I always relied on, first of all the music that comes out of my hands, 167 00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:06,380 through the guitar, trough the speaker cabinets, 168 00:15:06,380 --> 00:15:09,940 off the stage. That's what people are gonna get. 169 00:15:09,940 --> 00:15:13,260 The theatrics... I don't know... 170 00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:19,940 I look at like like people that have to do it, they're not good enough to be themselves. 171 00:15:19,940 --> 00:15:24,500 They're not good enough to be on stage and people buying a ticket to watch it. 172 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:26,460 Myself is. I am. 173 00:15:26,460 --> 00:15:29,220 He could do without the costumes, 174 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:32,540 which is why he cut the butt off of his original costume. 175 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:34,940 He said "If I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do it my way." 176 00:15:34,940 --> 00:15:37,940 I saw the film Jimi Hendrix and... 177 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:41,740 That's my dog. He's Ug. 178 00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:45,260 I saw the film Jimi Hendrix and... 179 00:15:45,860 --> 00:15:48,660 The way he played, jumping around... 180 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:51,140 I dug it man, that's all I wanted to do. 181 00:15:51,140 --> 00:15:53,180 I never thought of myself: 182 00:15:53,180 --> 00:15:56,460 "Wow, ok, I'll create this guy, Chris Holmes." 183 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:25,340 Gotta be always filming! 184 00:16:25,940 --> 00:16:29,620 You gotta hang that thing around your neck. 185 00:16:33,020 --> 00:16:34,540 That's it, right? 186 00:16:34,540 --> 00:16:36,500 Move that piece of shit! 187 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:38,660 - Chris! - What? 188 00:17:02,380 --> 00:17:07,460 The sound is ok, but when you play, it's too loud. 189 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:11,980 It's heavy metal, you can't ask Chris Holmes to play down like he plays disco! 190 00:17:11,980 --> 00:17:15,060 Hey, who fucked up on the soundcheck? 191 00:17:15,060 --> 00:17:18,020 These guys are waiting for us. 192 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:21,020 Why do you look at me when you do that? 193 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:23,220 Sarah, I'm not saying you did. 194 00:17:23,220 --> 00:17:24,820 We play at 10? 195 00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:53,940 {\an8} My amp's fucked! 196 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:23,700 How you doin'? 197 00:18:24,340 --> 00:18:25,820 What's up? 198 00:18:30,780 --> 00:18:33,180 I have to thank for one thing my wife Sarah, 199 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:36,780 if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't be here at all. 200 00:18:39,340 --> 00:18:41,700 I'll be at home in my closet, drinking, 201 00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:44,140 smoking dope, doing nothing... 202 00:18:49,980 --> 00:18:51,860 Thank you very much! 203 00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:04,180 First time that I listen to Mean Man. 204 00:19:04,180 --> 00:19:05,700 Really good music for me. 205 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:07,220 Nice to meet you. 206 00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:08,860 Czech Republic, Prague! 207 00:19:11,180 --> 00:19:12,740 You deserve a kiss! 208 00:19:12,740 --> 00:19:14,660 Oh thank you! 209 00:19:14,660 --> 00:19:17,820 My husband thinks that he's the best guitar player ever. 210 00:19:19,020 --> 00:19:21,820 Rock n' roll! 211 00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:34,220 God, I wished my fuckin' amp worked, man. 212 00:19:34,220 --> 00:19:36,860 We're going to change that when we go back, baby. 213 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:37,940 That was a bummer. 214 00:19:37,940 --> 00:19:39,940 You all made a great show. 215 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:43,180 Baby, stop, stop, stop! 216 00:19:43,180 --> 00:19:44,940 Chris, people are sleeping! 217 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:47,060 I know, that's why I do it. 218 00:19:49,780 --> 00:19:53,980 Do you like more to record or playing live? 219 00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:55,100 I like playing live. 220 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:58,580 If I had a choice it would be playing live. 221 00:19:58,580 --> 00:20:02,500 How does it feel when your own wife is managing you? 222 00:20:03,540 --> 00:20:05,860 I don't trust anybody else. 223 00:20:05,860 --> 00:20:07,740 I never got a penny out of W.A.S.P. 224 00:20:07,740 --> 00:20:10,580 I've been "famous" but... 225 00:20:10,580 --> 00:20:16,740 All my publishing money goes right into somebody's pocket. 226 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:21,460 I trusted somebody who I shouldn't have trusted. 227 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:26,380 My name's on the record as a songwriter, 228 00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:29,020 but I don't get the money for it. 229 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:33,100 I saw some fans last night singing the songs that I wrote. 230 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:34,620 That made me happy. 231 00:20:35,140 --> 00:20:36,860 How do you rest after concerts? 232 00:20:37,340 --> 00:20:38,740 Rest? 233 00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:40,820 Usually I lay parallel... 234 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:44,660 I'd like to play on top of Mount Everest. 235 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:46,060 You think you can do it? 236 00:20:46,060 --> 00:20:48,940 I don't know, I always had a dream to walk there, 237 00:20:48,940 --> 00:20:51,060 take acoustic guitar, 238 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:53,060 play "Yankee Doodle Dandy" or something... 239 00:20:53,060 --> 00:20:56,100 "Kumbaya"... 240 00:20:56,580 --> 00:20:59,020 Getting there and play "Fuck Like a Beast"... 241 00:21:06,820 --> 00:21:08,580 That's my beard. 242 00:21:09,540 --> 00:21:12,700 This is what happens when you don't shave. 243 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:43,540 I miss the part of when I traveled on the bus, 244 00:21:43,540 --> 00:21:47,180 and I didn't have to worry about my instruments, or guitars, or anything. 245 00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:49,780 I'd walk in the soundcheck, play a few notes, 246 00:21:49,780 --> 00:21:53,340 give the roadies the guitar, then come out and play. Just had to take care of myself. 247 00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:58,500 Since I'm starting out again, I've got to worry about my stuff. 248 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:02,300 It's a little harder, but I like to play, you know. 249 00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:04,060 Is that everything? 250 00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:09,740 A lot of people from the 80s are not playing anymore. 251 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:15,460 One good think, I can still walk, I'm kind of in good health, I guess. 252 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:30,460 Can I just look at the engine? 253 00:22:31,380 --> 00:22:33,940 I wanna see the engine. I'm from America. 254 00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:36,540 I'm from America, I'm just kind of curious. 255 00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:39,620 - What's this? - The air... 256 00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:42,980 Hot and cold. 257 00:22:42,980 --> 00:22:44,980 It's got a turbocharger on it. 258 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:49,780 - What kind of car is that? - Germany car. 259 00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:55,140 - What year? - Trabant 1968. 260 00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:57,260 It's cool. Thanks for showing me that. 261 00:22:57,260 --> 00:22:59,580 Big motorcycle. 262 00:23:02,020 --> 00:23:04,540 Thanks for showing me that, I appreciate it. 263 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:06,860 I'd never seen a car like that in my life. 264 00:23:06,860 --> 00:23:08,660 Man, a two-stroke! 265 00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:29,340 Chris Holmes was a character. 266 00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:35,380 {\an8} Everybody in L.A. that was into hard-rock and metal knew of Chris Holmes. 267 00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:39,140 He was really an icon in the L.A. hard-rock and metal scene. 268 00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:41,340 I remember actually the photo shoot, 269 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:45,420 when Chris was sitting on that chopper frame. 270 00:23:45,420 --> 00:23:49,500 He had a barrel, a beer and a cigar. We were wasted that day. 271 00:23:50,980 --> 00:23:54,060 That was at Neil Zlozower's studio in Hollywood. 272 00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:56,940 Me and Chris were outside with the homeless street people, drinking and shit. 273 00:23:57,860 --> 00:24:01,980 Blackie was pissed off inside because we were out there getting drunk 274 00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:04,660 outside in Hollywood... That's a true story. 275 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:14,380 Get the fuck out. 276 00:24:14,380 --> 00:24:16,620 Excuse me man, these guys make me crazy. 277 00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:23,180 We got a record deal within a year. 278 00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:25,900 We got one within nine months. 279 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:31,340 With Rod Smallwood at Capitol Records, that's how we hit the big time. 280 00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:34,940 I was just happy making money on playing music. 281 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:37,660 I started off with 125$ a week, 282 00:24:37,660 --> 00:24:39,940 that was great. 283 00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:41,900 Before that, I wasn't making nothing. 284 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:47,780 If I would have understood how the publishing and all that shit worked then, 285 00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:51,620 Blackie and I would have went head to head and I wouldn't have been in the band that long. 286 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:54,260 He would have fired me real quick. 287 00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:57,820 Sure, everybody wants to be successful. 288 00:24:57,820 --> 00:25:01,300 I wanted to play hard-rock. Do what Jimi Hendrix did. 289 00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:07,420 To get to that level, there's a lot of business crap you've got to take care of. 290 00:25:07,420 --> 00:25:13,180 Everyday photo sessions, this and that... just for the business... 291 00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:16,580 We signed with Rod Smallwood, 292 00:25:16,580 --> 00:25:20,900 they were like a bank, so at that point we had all the money we needed 293 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:25,140 to get the band off the road, you know. 294 00:25:25,140 --> 00:25:27,660 In the beginning, it was all for one, one for all. 295 00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:30,940 Everybody puttin' in what they did. 296 00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:36,340 After the first record, Blackie wanted it just to be him. 297 00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:38,540 He didn't want the other guys in the band. 298 00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:40,860 Look at the records: should I say anymore? 299 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:45,140 Who's on the cover of the second one? Who's on the cover of the third one? 300 00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:48,740 He didn't want it to be a band after the first album, 301 00:25:48,740 --> 00:25:51,220 he just wanted it to be the Blackie Lawless project. 302 00:25:51,220 --> 00:25:53,300 After that I really didn't give a shit about it. 303 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:58,140 - When you were a little kid, did you want to be a rock star? - Yes I did. 304 00:25:58,140 --> 00:25:59,780 Definitely. 305 00:25:59,780 --> 00:26:01,940 But she wouldn't let me... 306 00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:07,860 Hello mom, can I take a rock guitar? She says, well... 307 00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:13,740 No you can't, 'cause you'll turn into those drug infested rockstars. 308 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:18,780 - Do you consider yourself... - A piece of crap. 309 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:20,660 Why ? 310 00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:24,900 Well, because I work the job... and I'm a piece of crap. 311 00:26:28,660 --> 00:26:30,860 What do you think you're gonna be doing ten years from now? 312 00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:34,140 I'll probably be dead. You'll come and see me in my graveyard. 313 00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:41,180 Do you think this kind of rock n' roll lifestyle is hard on you and maybe that's why you drink? 314 00:26:41,180 --> 00:26:44,380 I'm a full-blown alcoholic, 315 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:47,860 and I drink because... look... 316 00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:57,260 He's gonna be remembered for that for the rest of his life, at some point. 317 00:26:57,260 --> 00:26:59,380 Somebody will bring it up again. 318 00:26:59,380 --> 00:27:03,300 But that's rock n' roll...! 319 00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:11,860 I think I had the same reaction as everybody. I mean, it was sad. 320 00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:15,940 I always wondered how much of it was real. 321 00:27:16,780 --> 00:27:20,260 Over the years, I've had that conversation with him several times: 322 00:27:20,260 --> 00:27:23,020 depending on what his mood is, he gives me a different answer. 323 00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:25,860 That was vodka, that was real. 324 00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:28,580 That thing about me and Chris, we never... 325 00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:32,900 These guys, they put ice-tea and people think they're drinking Jack Daniel's on stage... 326 00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:36,380 It was water, for Christ's sake! 327 00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:40,260 Chris is not gonna pour a whole bottle of vodka over his head. 328 00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:41,780 That's a waste of vodka. 329 00:27:41,780 --> 00:27:45,420 When I did "The Decline", Blackie was flaming pissed. 330 00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:48,340 He flipped out. 331 00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:52,300 But I had already done it behind his back, I didn't really care at that point. 332 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:55,580 Penelope called him and wanted him to do it. 333 00:27:55,580 --> 00:27:59,580 But he wanted budget to do this and that... 334 00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:02,540 She didn't have the budget for it, so she asked me to do an interview. 335 00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:06,620 To me, it was just a stupid interview... 336 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:15,900 Chris is a natural rolled out of bed rock star. 337 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,940 Blackie Lawless is Steven Duren 338 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:21,060 that turns into Blackie Lawless and then turns back into Steven Duren. 339 00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:23,660 Chris Holmes is Chris Holmes the whole fuckin' time. 340 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:28,180 The only way I can explain it is: 341 00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:30,820 here is the bus, it goes down the highway, 342 00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:32,660 the bus stops at the show, 343 00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:35,540 Steven Duren gets off the bus, 344 00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:38,340 goes in, puts on Blackie Lawless, 345 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:41,180 does the Blackie Lawless show, 346 00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:44,180 gets off-stage, takes off Blackie Lawless, 347 00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:47,300 walks out the dressing room: Steven Duren, then he gets on the bus. 348 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:51,180 Blackie doesn't love interacting with people, 349 00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:53,780 that's why he doesn't do the fan thing that much. 350 00:28:53,780 --> 00:28:55,020 Holmes loves people. 351 00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:57,780 There's this whole line of kids. 352 00:29:00,060 --> 00:29:03,060 Chris comes up to the bus. 353 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:07,780 The kids go "Hey, can we get your autograph?" He's like "Absolutely!" 354 00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:12,500 He goes on the bus and Blackie Lawless rips him one, dude... 355 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:16,020 "Don't ever do that. Don't ever go for the kids and do that. 356 00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:18,060 You're wasting our time..." 357 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:20,900 He's like: "What? They're all fans." 358 00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:22,980 He used to hold Chris back. 359 00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:26,460 On stage you can't hold Chris back. He's gonna be Chris on stage. 360 00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:29,060 That means jumping, that means spinning, 361 00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:31,940 skipping, everything...! 362 00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:35,060 But in the studio, Blackie would hold him back: 363 00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:40,660 would keep his level down, wouldn't let him play some of the leads he wanted to play... 364 00:29:40,660 --> 00:29:42,460 He was always telling him what to do. 365 00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:43,620 My feeling was always like: 366 00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:47,380 "You hired this guy to play in your band because of a certain sound, 367 00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:50,780 and you don't want him to have that certain sound?" That's ridiculous. 368 00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:59,100 Here we are in beautiful Paris. 369 00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,940 As you see, this is a house of worship up here. 370 00:30:02,940 --> 00:30:06,260 It's called Pierre-Versailles, whatever... 371 00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:07,940 And if you look over here, 372 00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:11,380 there's the most famous icon in the world, right here. 373 00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:13,340 Some guy named Eiffel built it. 374 00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:18,660 I don't know if that's his first name or his last name, but it's a big famous icon. 375 00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:27,180 You can't touch, baby. 376 00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:29,820 Superman! 377 00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:38,540 An angel... 378 00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:46,060 That painting ain't shit. 379 00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:47,860 Cupcake! 380 00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:58,940 Cupcake! 381 00:30:58,940 --> 00:31:00,620 I love you! 382 00:31:00,620 --> 00:31:02,540 We're gonna get high! 383 00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:05,660 Wow, that's a view. 384 00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:28,540 {\an8} Nice to meet you. 385 00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:31,260 - My lady... - Thank you. 386 00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:34,340 - My name is Pierre. - What's up Pierre? 387 00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:36,540 I"m very impressed. 388 00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:39,420 What do you feed the cat with? 389 00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:42,580 It's my cat. His name is Miu. 390 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:48,420 The cat's huge. It's the biggest cat I've ever seen! 391 00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:51,740 And these are all the people I have photographed. 392 00:31:51,740 --> 00:31:54,660 Famous French actors... 393 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,940 You know the light? It's a movie light. 394 00:31:57,940 --> 00:32:01,380 Like the light in the movies in 1930. 395 00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:06,980 You have one, two, three, four, five lights for you. 396 00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:10,340 {\an8} Get ready... Great! 397 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:17,340 - This is the gold light... - That's a reflector light. 398 00:32:17,340 --> 00:32:19,420 Look! 399 00:32:19,420 --> 00:32:21,620 You are the Lord of the Rings. 400 00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:25,540 {\an8} Up! Up! 401 00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:30,180 {\an8} Beautiful. One, two, three... 402 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:34,380 {\an8} Very nice, my dear. Wait! 403 00:32:34,380 --> 00:32:36,900 Yes, yes. 404 00:32:39,220 --> 00:32:40,580 {\an8} Got it! 405 00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:44,060 {\an8} I'm very impressed. He has a unique presence. 406 00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:46,780 {\an8} He doesn't confide easily. 407 00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:50,340 {\an8} He has a great future ahead. 408 00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:55,260 {\an8} He has a real presence, it only takes four shots. 409 00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:34,140 I remember meeting each other at the NAMM show. 410 00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:38,500 {\an8} Chris Holmes comes walking. 411 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:42,660 {\an8} Doesn't matter the size of the room, the room got really small. 412 00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:45,860 When Chris is in the room, there's no space left. 413 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:56,020 One thing about Chris is he got along with all others musicians and bands. 414 00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:59,460 There was only one one musician and one band, and that was Blackie Lawless, 415 00:33:59,460 --> 00:34:02,500 that he didn't get along with very well. Otherwise he gets along with everybody. 416 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:05,660 {\an8} We all loved Chris and he was just great to have around. 417 00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:09,060 {\an8} I think he actually hung out with us a lot more than he hung out with his own band. 418 00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:12,940 In 1985-86, I was doing security for Black Sabbath, 419 00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:19,180 Chris kept showing up at Tony Iommi's door at 3 or 4 in the morning. 420 00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:23,220 "Come on Tony, let's go party!" I had to go out, because Tony was my guy. 421 00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:28,060 I finally told Chris: "You have to stop coming in the room at 3 or 4 in the morning. 422 00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:31,020 You're killing me. I need to sleep at some point." 423 00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:33,700 "Fuck off! I don't care!" 424 00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:36,300 That's the sound Chris was always after. 425 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,780 He wanted to get Tony Iommi's sound. 426 00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:41,660 Funny thing is, he met Tony Iommi on a tour, 427 00:34:41,660 --> 00:34:45,860 Tony Iommi said "I've been trying to get your sound for the last ten years." 428 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:51,060 Basically one of his guitar gods, to say "I love your sound", 429 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:52,900 that's pretty unusual. 430 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:57,420 He's my idol, he's great. 431 00:34:57,940 --> 00:35:01,140 I did lots of chemicals with him, and drank... 432 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:04,860 It was great touring with him, that was 30 years ago... 433 00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:06,500 We were touring with Maiden, 434 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:10,580 we climbed up in the truss, above the stage, Maiden was on stage. 435 00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:15,140 We were above Nicko yelling down: "Fuck you! Nicko you suck, man!" 436 00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:19,900 He's looking up and he's going like this. 437 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,660 Anyway, they were between songs, 438 00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:25,540 and Bruce was in front of the stage talking to the audience. 439 00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:28,500 Chris took this apple and let it go, 440 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:31,660 and it hit Nicko in his face. 441 00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:36,140 It's just a funny story, nobody know what goes on. 442 00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:39,060 He hit him in face. "I'll kill you motherfucker!" 443 00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:42,540 When it's time to turn on the Chris Holmes button, 444 00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:45,820 then he turns it on and it's overdrive, it's way over the top. 445 00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:50,380 We were playing in Lisbon in Portugal and we had a day off. 446 00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:52,180 Everyone knew that W.A.S.P. was in town. 447 00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:56,820 Every bar that me and Chris went to, we had free drinks, free food... 448 00:35:56,820 --> 00:36:00,540 We wound back at the hotel, I remember crawling on the grass... 449 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:30,180 When I first met Chris, he was kind of a shy surfer-looking guy with long blond hair, 450 00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:34,260 committed to playing guitar, that's all he cared about. 451 00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:37,860 As you get out into the world and discover alcohol, 452 00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:42,700 and other things that everybody seemed to be doing back at that time period, 453 00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:45,460 it's easy to fall into that trap. 454 00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:50,020 I'd just go out to the clubs, get drunk and piss people off. 455 00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:52,540 I'd play rock star or whatever... 456 00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:56,460 I always thought he'd never make it past 30. 457 00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:06,620 I met Lita Ford at the Cathouse. 458 00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:11,180 She was doing the album "Close My Eyes Forever". 459 00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:14,780 She was kind of big, I was big at the same time, we hooked up... 460 00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:18,020 She tried to get me to stop drinking, but I wouldn't stop drinking. 461 00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:21,500 I wasn't surprised or impressed, I was happy for him. 462 00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:26,500 I think it was an important part of his life as far as him maturing as a guitar player. 463 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,220 That was a big time in his life. 464 00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:33,460 That was the first that he bought a house that he could call his. 465 00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:36,620 I used to see them together: they got along well, they both drank... 466 00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:38,340 They both had a great time. 467 00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:42,860 {\an8} She was too music, and he was music. 468 00:37:42,860 --> 00:37:49,740 {\an8} You can't deal with one going on tour, the other one's home, the other goes on tour... 469 00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:52,500 You just can't have a couple. 470 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:56,460 {\an8} From North America, with their spectacular heavy sound, 471 00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:58,500 {\an8} here is W.A.S.P.! 472 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:28,020 It's sad to change band members so many times in W.A.S.P. 473 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:30,020 People don't like seeing that. 474 00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:33,420 What made the band eventually killed it. 475 00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:35,540 An ego. 476 00:38:35,540 --> 00:38:37,580 You've ever seen me in a guitar magazine? 477 00:38:37,580 --> 00:38:41,340 I've never been on a guitar magazine in my life, not one. 478 00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:45,860 Blackie decides who's gonna do interviews: he would never let me do them, 479 00:38:45,860 --> 00:38:47,460 because I'd get more press. 480 00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:53,580 My personality kept me from doing most of the interviews. 481 00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:16,500 I knew Chris was angry. 482 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:21,060 Chris holds it in and pretty soon Chris is gonna explode. 483 00:39:21,060 --> 00:39:22,500 That's the way he is. 484 00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:26,700 Blackie, I knew, was gonna do more and more to put him down. 485 00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,180 He wanted it to be the Blackie Lawless show. 486 00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:33,300 He kept Chris in the background as much as he could, 487 00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:35,260 with interviews, 488 00:39:35,260 --> 00:39:40,300 with how much he'd allow him to turn up in the studio, different little things... 489 00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:43,740 He didn't like to share the spotlight. 490 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:49,540 I left W.A.S.P. in 1991. 491 00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:55,780 I just couldn't take Blackie's bullshit of just him, him, him and the band. 492 00:39:57,540 --> 00:40:00,860 Some things were lied to me about. 493 00:40:00,860 --> 00:40:06,460 I just didn't want to take it, it got to the point where I wanted nothing to do with W.A.S.P. 494 00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:09,340 I go with he quit. 495 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:14,380 He got dragged through the mud for too many years. He finally went: "I'm done". 496 00:40:14,380 --> 00:40:20,780 When Lita kicked him out, she dropped him off on my porch with a couple of suitcases. 497 00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:23,620 I opened the door and said "Here's your spot to sleep", 498 00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:27,580 and we were digging our chains together. 499 00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:31,380 None of us could work, he was an all about no jobs. 500 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:35,500 We all had to quit our jobs: "How we're gonna live?" And we did... 501 00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:57,660 I ran into the singer Johnny Severe through a friend who knew him. 502 00:40:57,660 --> 00:41:00,580 He came up and we decided to do a band. 503 00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:02,340 We found Chris Olson, 504 00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:07,260 and Mike Kortz played bass. 505 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:10,460 He wanted all the members to be born and raised in Southern California. 506 00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:12,740 Don't know why. 507 00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:15,940 I guess he thought we all fought the same. 508 00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:19,020 Psycho Squad was an interesting band. 509 00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:24,660 I think the band was founded on the promise of how much can you drink and still play. 510 00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:27,940 They used to get pretty well lit-up. 511 00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:44,620 It was enjoyable doing music that I wrote. 512 00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:47,740 I could write the whole thing and not have to worry about somebody 513 00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:51,180 saying "no that's not good". 514 00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:55,380 Somebody else taking all the credits for what you're doing... 515 00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:59,580 When we put Psycho Squad together, we got endorsed by everybody. 516 00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:02,060 We got us endorsed by Art to the Bone. 517 00:42:02,060 --> 00:42:06,860 And pretty soon Chris is getting tattooed... 518 00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:11,660 I think he's got flames and skulls on his fingers, 519 00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:16,660 a big skeleton in his back with a knife shoved in his back: 520 00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:19,060 "Go ahead, everybody else has". 521 00:42:19,060 --> 00:42:21,340 I think I do know what the meaning of that was. 522 00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:23,980 I think it was Blackie, you know. 523 00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:26,300 Johnny was a good guy. 524 00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:28,660 He drank a lot. 525 00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:31,140 He was a great lyricist. 526 00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:33,340 He's the one who opened my eyes... 527 00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:36,780 Before him I never listened to lyrics that much, 528 00:42:36,780 --> 00:42:41,220 even in W.A.S.P. I never really cared what Blackie talked about. 529 00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:43,860 Psycho Squad, we didn't do no theatrics. 530 00:42:43,860 --> 00:42:46,380 We just went in and kicked you in the teeth. 531 00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:50,460 Our opening song: "Thrash the Place", 'cause that's how we felt. 532 00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:54,860 That time, grunge had just happened. 533 00:42:54,860 --> 00:42:57,700 Nirvana hit it real big. 534 00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,940 Nirvana killed the hair bands, 535 00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:03,660 Psycho Squad broke up. 536 00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:08,540 I was just tired, I thought "You know what, this is bullshit, I'm outta here". 537 00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:12,060 For us to get a record deal was almost obsolete. 538 00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:14,100 We still tried but couldn't. 539 00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:17,740 I think we played together for about a year and a half. 540 00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,780 Chris Olson just called me about a month ago, 541 00:43:31,780 --> 00:43:36,140 he said that they found Johnny, the singer, dead in his house. 542 00:43:36,580 --> 00:43:42,340 His front door was opened, he was laying in the living-room, frozen... 543 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:44,420 Like Bon Scott. 544 00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:48,140 He liked to drink, so he's probably gotten too drunk and passed out. 545 00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:50,860 He left his door opened and froze... 546 00:44:07,180 --> 00:44:09,380 {\an8} One, two, test. 547 00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:10,820 {\an8} Zabou, can you hear me? 548 00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:44,180 Here, you should put it on. 549 00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:50,980 Hey, Sarah! 550 00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:53,260 Sarah, take a picture. 551 00:44:57,140 --> 00:45:00,060 He's gonna play a song with us. 552 00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:01,740 Good. 553 00:45:02,060 --> 00:45:04,180 You can turn your amp on 10! 554 00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:21,580 He built his first guitar with a friend of his named Gary Presley. 555 00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:23,740 They did it in woodshop class, 556 00:46:23,740 --> 00:46:27,260 built the body, they did the neck and everything themselves... 557 00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:29,980 The wiring, the electronics, 558 00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:32,300 wiring coils up with more wire, 559 00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:35,140 so you get a higher magnetic field, you get more distortion. 560 00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:40,620 Chris discovered a lot of things about what you can do to a guitar to make it sound different. 561 00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:44,540 A Fender Jazzmaster, that was my first real guitar. 562 00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:48,300 I got it for 80 bucks from a guy down the street. 563 00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:51,780 How did I find it? Selling drugs... 564 00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:55,180 I was going to school in Pasadena, 565 00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:58,940 my friend John was going to school in La Cañada with Chris. 566 00:46:58,940 --> 00:47:01,100 Chris had put a band together. 567 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:03,740 He was looking to get a singer, 568 00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:08,340 and I was ready to say "I'll be a rockstar, no problem". 569 00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:11,220 I didn't know how to sing. 570 00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:14,660 That was a band called Slave. 571 00:47:14,660 --> 00:47:17,260 I think I was 17 there. 572 00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:20,260 1976 or 1977. 573 00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:23,140 That's a long time ago... 574 00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:25,980 Look how skinny I was. 575 00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:29,980 I was like a toothpick. 576 00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:35,980 The first time I saw him play was actually at Crescenta Valley High School. 577 00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:40,260 They had something called a quad, it was an outdoor sort of amphitheatre. 578 00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:42,060 I couldn't take my eyes off of him. 579 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:45,980 I was thinking: "This guy's a really good guitar player, 580 00:47:46,740 --> 00:47:49,620 He's got stage presence and he has energy". 581 00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:53,380 {\an8} We were all playing high-schools, american legion halls, 582 00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:56,580 {\an8} backyard parties, kegger parties... 583 00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:01,820 This was the era when people started getting one or two kegs of beer, 584 00:48:01,820 --> 00:48:04,060 charging a dollar at the gate, 585 00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:07,420 and getting 300/400 kids in the backyard with a band. 586 00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:09,660 We'd make our own light system: 587 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:12,300 we'd make a big box and throw some colored lights in there, 588 00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:15,740 set them on the amps, and that's how we'd get our light show. 589 00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:18,500 Here's a great shot of Chris with his Destroyer. 590 00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:20,620 That must have been his first tattoo. 591 00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:23,820 That's Sister, when I met Blackie. 592 00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:26,060 I met the drummer first, then I met Blackie. 593 00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:29,780 I was 20 so it had to be 1977. 594 00:48:29,780 --> 00:48:35,860 I thought: "Oh my gosh, this team of Blackie and Chris is a really really good one. 595 00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:39,500 These two will probably be a really good duo. 596 00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:41,820 With their height, their craziness, 597 00:48:41,820 --> 00:48:44,260 their wildness, their musicianship, everything. 598 00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:46,020 There was just someting there. 599 00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:50,940 Blackie was just a slave driver, I didn't like the way he was. 600 00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:54,140 I couldn't wait to get out of the situation. 601 00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:56,540 when it was ok for me to leave, I left. 602 00:48:56,540 --> 00:49:02,340 After that, I played with a band called Buster Savage. 603 00:49:02,340 --> 00:49:04,940 I'll never forget: I saw Buster Savage at the Starwood, 604 00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:12,540 {\an8} Chris Holmes came out, with a baseball cap on, wearing aviators, 605 00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:14,500 he's got like a dust mask on. 606 00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:16,780 They're playing the first song and he's totally grooving. 607 00:49:16,780 --> 00:49:18,660 Comes up to the solo section, 608 00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:20,500 and then he just whips off the hat, 609 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:26,140 and all this long-ass hair one length comes out! 610 00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:29,180 He starts rippin' on this solo. 611 00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:34,420 I'm like 15... "What the fuck is this!" 612 00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:39,300 I got in trouble drinking and driving and I had to go to jail at Cerwin Vega. 613 00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:41,940 they laid me out so I could collect unemployment jail. 614 00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:47,180 The day I got out, my sister goes: "This guy named Blackie called. 615 00:49:47,260 --> 00:49:49,940 Here's his number." 616 00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:53,380 I didn't talk to Blackie for years. 617 00:49:53,380 --> 00:49:58,140 I called him, he said he needed to talk to me. He had the idea of W.A.S.P. 618 00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:00,260 That was about 1981. 619 00:50:01,860 --> 00:50:04,540 I kind of didn't want to play with the guy then, 620 00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:07,620 but he promised a record deal. 621 00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:11,060 I said "Yeah I'll play with him for a year", 622 00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:13,100 and we got a deal. 623 00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:24,420 Here we are in Stockholm. 624 00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:25,980 That's me. 625 00:50:37,140 --> 00:50:39,740 Sweden! 626 00:50:54,140 --> 00:50:59,940 French guy, right? French coffee... 627 00:51:00,460 --> 00:51:04,060 Chris, American. American cup. 628 00:51:39,460 --> 00:51:43,980 Welcome back to Headbangers' Ball, it's our Valentine's Day Massacre, 629 00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:47,860 it's actually gonna turn into a bloody Valentine right now, 630 00:51:47,860 --> 00:51:51,300 'cause I gotta say to you: "Kill Fuck Die". 631 00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:54,380 I'm not being rude: that is the title of the new W.A.S.P. album, 632 00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:56,380 out on the 24th March. 633 00:51:56,380 --> 00:52:00,540 As you can see, Blackie and Chris are joining me here at Rock City in Nottingham. 634 00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:04,580 May I say that you look absolutely fantastic, it's great to have you back on the show. 635 00:52:04,580 --> 00:52:09,420 So welcome, just to start off, you've been playing some shows in Europe, 636 00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:11,820 How have things been going? 637 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:16,740 We're doing a seven show pep rally, effectively, it's what it boils down to. 638 00:52:16,740 --> 00:52:19,660 Because as you mention, the album's out on March 24, 639 00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:24,460 and Chris and I have not played together in public for 7 years. 640 00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:27,020 We decided to come and give everybody a teaser 641 00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:29,060 before we do the real tour in the next couple of months. 642 00:52:29,060 --> 00:52:31,220 You're certainly creating a buzz, 643 00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:35,260 everybody is talking about the W.A.S.P. show which I guess is exactly what you want. 644 00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:39,900 I've created a buzz all the time. 645 00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:43,020 I've lived in Hollywood, 646 00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:48,260 got stuck in the Hollywood drug-grunge scene just living there... 647 00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:52,620 Then I had a chance to go to Wyoming for a while. 648 00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:56,060 My sister's ranch, I went up there. 649 00:52:56,060 --> 00:53:00,940 Russell Wallace called me and said' "Hey Chris, Blackie wants to talk to you." 650 00:53:01,580 --> 00:53:05,300 That's the last thing I'd ever thought I was gonna hear about. 651 00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,540 He gave me his number, I called him up. 652 00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:10,300 I go: "Yeah, what's the deal?" 653 00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:13,380 He goes: "I want to know if you wanna go on tour again." 654 00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:16,060 I go: "That was the last thing on my mind. 655 00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:18,940 If you wanna know an answer right now, it's no. 656 00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:22,700 - Is there a chance ? - Yeah, let me think about it. 657 00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:24,940 He goes: "Well I give you 'til a week." 658 00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:27,420 I rejoined in 1995. 659 00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:32,100 Blackie needed that, 'cause Blackie kept trying different things, 660 00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,740 but when Chris came back, it kind of breathed new life into it. 661 00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:38,980 He kinda covered that up from me for a while. 662 00:53:38,980 --> 00:53:42,780 He'd be playing with them about a year before I saw him again. 663 00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:45,420 "You're not gonna believe it, but I joined W.A.S.P. again..." 664 00:53:45,420 --> 00:53:48,220 I'm like: "Chris, when are you gonna learn?" 665 00:53:57,260 --> 00:54:00,340 {\an8} We destroyed our female following with K.F.D. 666 00:54:00,940 --> 00:54:04,380 The cross, the nun, 667 00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:07,580 fucking the nun, pulling out the foetus, 668 00:54:07,580 --> 00:54:12,140 stabbing it on the knife-codpiece and holding it up as if in victory... 669 00:54:12,140 --> 00:54:16,460 It was too dark. Women couldn't relate to it. 670 00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:34,220 The only reason I came back to play music is because I wanted to travel again, 671 00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:35,700 to see Europe and stuff... 672 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:39,180 If not, I'd have probably never left L.A. 673 00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:42,460 I went back and got my ass kicked a second time. 674 00:54:43,580 --> 00:54:45,540 To get a good ass kicking, 675 00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:48,860 'cause I hadn't get kicked good enough the first time. 676 00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:51,260 Then when he rejoined the band, 677 00:54:51,260 --> 00:54:53,340 Blackie made it specific: 678 00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:56,380 he spent money to get him sober. 679 00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:59,260 It was the best thing for Chris, and if we loved him, 680 00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:03,260 and we wanted to be in the band, then we needed to support his sobriety. 681 00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:05,260 I got a D.U.I. 682 00:55:05,260 --> 00:55:08,100 I was out messing around in the clubs, having fun, 683 00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,340 doing the Chris thing and got in trouble drunk again. 684 00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:13,980 It kind of made me quit drinking. 685 00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:17,300 I know they have their differences and all that, 686 00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:21,860 but Blackie very much cared about Chris and spent time and money to help him get sober. 687 00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:25,620 Probably the best thing that ever happened to me 688 00:55:25,620 --> 00:55:28,540 was getting a sixth D.U.I. 689 00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:32,300 If I didn't get that 502, I'd probably be dead now from drinking. 690 00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:34,180 I'd probably drank myself to death. 691 00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:56,020 I didn't play a note on "Unholy Terror". 692 00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:57,700 Listen to the record. 693 00:55:57,700 --> 00:56:00,780 Why do you think he'd put my name on it? So it would sell. 694 00:56:00,780 --> 00:56:04,580 If it didn't have my name on it it wouldn't look like we did songs together. 695 00:56:04,580 --> 00:56:08,020 "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting": I didn't play on that, 696 00:56:08,020 --> 00:56:10,740 and he put my name on it, I got pissed off. 697 00:56:10,740 --> 00:56:12,140 I got mad. 698 00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:17,500 - I thought you'd want your name on it. - I don't want my name on that shitty ass guitar playing. 699 00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:21,380 If I didn't play on it, I don't like lying on things like that. 700 00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:25,660 There was a blow-out, 701 00:56:25,660 --> 00:56:28,980 it happened at my studio. 702 00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:32,740 It was in 2002, Blackie came in with a piece of paper, 703 00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:35,980 and I read it and it was a fan who said: 704 00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:38,980 "I saw W.A.S.P. at Harpo's, which is in Detroit, 705 00:56:38,980 --> 00:56:41,740 I got everyone's autograph, except Blackie's. 706 00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:45,940 Blackie went on the bus, I asked Chris for Blackie's autograph, 707 00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:48,380 Chris said no, he couldn't get it. 708 00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:54,260 I asked why". And the next caption was: "He's a fucking asshole." 709 00:56:54,940 --> 00:56:57,620 Blackie asked me if I said that. 710 00:56:57,620 --> 00:57:00,660 I gave him back the paper and I go: "Yeah, I did say that." 711 00:57:00,660 --> 00:57:03,860 He goes: "I thought we had a better understanding about each other" 712 00:57:03,860 --> 00:57:07,620 I go: "Well, let me explain to you why I said this." 713 00:57:08,340 --> 00:57:10,980 And I explained it to him. 714 00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:15,660 He got up, walked out of the room and said he was jealous. 715 00:57:15,660 --> 00:57:17,780 It was the last time I ever saw him. 716 00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:30,980 We have to go back from the same way. 717 00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:36,340 I just want to sleep. 718 00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:43,740 She's the guest of the place, 719 00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:45,580 but the keys are not working, guys. 720 00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:49,620 {\an8} Can you come and get us, we don't know where we are...? 721 00:57:50,420 --> 00:57:51,940 {\an8} Holy shit! 722 00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:55,980 {\an8} So we drive this way, we turn left at the crossroads, then right? 723 00:57:57,220 --> 00:57:58,260 {\an8} Sorry. 724 00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:40,780 Let's pray! 725 00:58:40,780 --> 00:58:44,380 Did you pray for your breakfast? 726 00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:49,020 Both my uncles are mormon. 727 00:58:49,020 --> 00:58:50,900 Their kids are all mormon. 728 00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:53,980 They make you a priest when you're sixteen. 729 00:58:54,340 --> 00:58:57,500 I told them, and they decided not to make me a priest. 730 00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:59,740 My folks were mormon, 731 00:58:59,740 --> 00:59:05,460 so he went to church and everything until he got about 16 or 17. 732 00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:09,660 I hated the mormon 'cause I had to go to church. 733 00:59:10,940 --> 00:59:13,580 Every Sunday: get up at 7 o'clock, 734 00:59:13,580 --> 00:59:17,660 brush my teeth, comb my hair, put on my tie... 735 00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:19,580 go to church all day, I hated it... 736 00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:23,140 I blame the mormons for all my drug use. 737 00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:26,980 The mormon troop had a Boy Scout troop. 738 00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:31,820 From 12 to 16, we'd go down the Grand Canyon, 739 00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:36,180 we'd do lots of drugs, extremely lot of drugs... 740 00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:42,820 Extreme amounts of drugs: usually cocaine and alcohol, 741 00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:44,460 and LSD. 742 00:59:44,460 --> 00:59:47,580 Then he decided he didn't wanna go to church anymore. 743 00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:50,580 If he didn't wanna go, don't push him, I don't care. 744 00:59:50,580 --> 00:59:52,300 It's his life, you know... 745 00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:59,140 Believing in religion is stupid. 746 00:59:59,140 --> 01:00:02,140 I can't believe it, it's stupid. 747 01:00:02,140 --> 01:00:06,180 This is a rock, if it hits my head, blood comes out. 748 01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:09,180 Well, make blood come out, God. 749 01:00:14,860 --> 01:00:16,500 How you doin'? 750 01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:21,380 My friend had a picture of his wife and they divorced, 751 01:00:21,380 --> 01:00:25,220 so he had a shotgun next to her head blowing her head off. 752 01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:29,420 {\an8} Fuckin' camera. 753 01:00:31,380 --> 01:00:34,620 {\an8} One time, I was going up to Arizona to visit my mom, 754 01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:41,380 {\an8} I stopped at the gas station, it's got the fake tattoos, 755 01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:44,060 {\an8} and it's got the one you put around your wrist. 756 01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:47,620 {\an8} So I buy it and I get to the house about 4 in the morning. 757 01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:54,100 {\an8} I go in the bathroom and I put it in water, and I put it on my forehead. 758 01:00:57,860 --> 01:00:58,900 {\an8} It dried. 759 01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:03,260 {\an8} In the morning, she wakes me up at 10. 760 01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:05,100 {\an8} "What the fuck did you do?" 761 01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:06,700 {\an8} I'd forgotten and said "What's up?" 762 01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:08,620 {\an8} "That tattoo on your head!" 763 01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:10,220 {\an8} "Oh, you like it mom?" 764 01:01:10,220 --> 01:01:12,220 {\an8} "You fuckin' idiot!" 765 01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:18,020 Now we're talking. That's a man tattoo. 766 01:01:18,020 --> 01:01:19,540 What Mean Man? 767 01:01:19,540 --> 01:01:23,860 I was a huge W.A.S.P. fan when I was a kid. 768 01:01:23,860 --> 01:01:28,140 I still am, so this is huge, definitely. 769 01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:31,580 I snivelled and cried and beat him up and everything else 770 01:01:31,580 --> 01:01:33,980 when he first started getting the tattoos. 771 01:01:33,980 --> 01:01:38,020 Finally, what can you do? You're not with him 24 hours. 772 01:01:38,020 --> 01:01:40,500 I said "Just don't get'em above your neck, 773 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:44,860 so when you come to my funeral, you can wear a shirt buttoned-up." 774 01:01:44,860 --> 01:01:48,500 My mom had an Hells Angels' jacket made. 775 01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:53,820 I truly believe, if she did not have children, she would have joined the Hells Angels. 776 01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:56,380 Why do you think? 777 01:01:57,460 --> 01:02:00,420 'cause I'm crazy I suppose... 778 01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:18,940 Alright! 779 01:02:53,140 --> 01:02:55,780 My name is Thomas. 780 01:02:55,780 --> 01:03:00,540 I've been a fan since '88, I think, 781 01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:03,860 and I started collecting in '89. 782 01:03:03,860 --> 01:03:08,420 I've got somewhere between 300/400 different records, 783 01:03:08,420 --> 01:03:12,540 CDs and a couple gold records... 784 01:03:12,540 --> 01:03:15,940 I spent a lot of money on W.A.S.P. 785 01:03:15,940 --> 01:03:18,020 I've been a fan now for 25 years, 786 01:03:18,020 --> 01:03:20,940 but it's the first time I get to see Chris Holmes. 787 01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:39,020 Norway! 788 01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:42,500 Enjoy yourself while you can and you're 20! 789 01:03:42,980 --> 01:03:45,740 Thanks for comin', alright! 790 01:03:46,780 --> 01:03:50,100 I just lived in L.A., surviving... 791 01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:54,180 I tried to find groups to play in but nobody would play with me. 792 01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:57,140 I started managing him for a brief period of time. 793 01:03:57,140 --> 01:04:00,540 He was down and out, depressed, 794 01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:02,380 living in a house behind a house. 795 01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:06,380 He did call me and stuff, and never really asked for money or anything. 796 01:04:06,380 --> 01:04:08,060 Just say "How you doin'?" 797 01:04:08,060 --> 01:04:11,940 He'd come over, have a beer, we have a good dinner and stuff, 798 01:04:11,940 --> 01:04:13,140 then he'd be on his way. 799 01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:16,700 He wouldn't ask for help, that's not what he did. 800 01:04:16,700 --> 01:04:20,340 He would get by with the bare minimum. 801 01:04:20,340 --> 01:04:23,980 He wouldn't be happy, but he could survive like that. 802 01:04:23,980 --> 01:04:29,460 He worked doing construction, roofing and concrete work. 803 01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:32,980 I worked shitty jobs in L.A. 804 01:04:32,980 --> 01:04:37,500 I used to work for Hustler, doing the lights for pornos. 805 01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:41,380 It's a job most guys would die for, but it's really boring. 806 01:04:41,380 --> 01:04:43,820 Chris Holmes everybody! 807 01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:56,940 I put together one of the first Hollywood celebrity all-star bands 808 01:04:56,940 --> 01:04:59,580 called the Big Ball Stars, that's some great players in it. 809 01:04:59,580 --> 01:05:02,540 At the time, Chris was hiding out. 810 01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:07,220 {\an8} So I said "Why don't you come and play a song with my all-star band?" 811 01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:11,540 "No, no one likes to play with me. I don't get along with anyone..." 812 01:05:11,540 --> 01:05:14,820 He'd been pretty banged up and around the business for a while. 813 01:05:14,820 --> 01:05:17,460 Nobody had seen him play in years: 814 01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:19,780 he played guitar flawlessly 815 01:05:19,780 --> 01:05:23,780 and he jumped around on that stage like a fucking maniac. 816 01:05:23,780 --> 01:05:28,780 But didn't miss a beat, and he just totally dominated the stage. 817 01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:33,340 People were just blown away, it was like: "Holy shit, Chris Holmes is back!" 818 01:05:39,820 --> 01:05:44,980 When he met Sarah, he was at a pretty low point in his life. 819 01:05:44,980 --> 01:05:48,220 I don't think he knew where to go or which directions to take. 820 01:05:48,220 --> 01:05:53,260 She came in and really started to manage his life for him, 821 01:05:53,260 --> 01:05:56,020 which he needed at the time. He needed that support. 822 01:05:56,020 --> 01:05:57,860 I'm a huge Motörhead fan. 823 01:05:57,860 --> 01:06:02,260 One day, Chris told me about the recordings that he had with Philthy. 824 01:06:02,260 --> 01:06:06,780 He had mentioned to me: "I've been working with this guy for a few years, 825 01:06:06,780 --> 01:06:09,660 I think we're ready to mix it, would you be interested?" 826 01:06:09,660 --> 01:06:12,700 I said: "Hell yeah!" 827 01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:15,820 Chris and Philthy! 828 01:06:15,820 --> 01:06:21,260 Out of anybody I've ever met in the music business, and I've met a lot of people, 829 01:06:21,260 --> 01:06:26,700 he's probably the coolest guy I've ever met as being a human being towards other people. 830 01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:30,340 If it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't have even done the first abum, 831 01:06:30,340 --> 01:06:32,860 'cause it was all done on his computers and stuff. 832 01:06:32,860 --> 01:06:35,900 He actually died, it's sad. 833 01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:38,660 He was ill for a long time. 834 01:06:38,660 --> 01:06:41,380 His liver shut down, 835 01:06:41,380 --> 01:06:44,940 and the last thing I said was... 836 01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:49,460 They came to pick me up in a car, I put my hand on his head and I just said 837 01:06:49,460 --> 01:06:51,980 "Phil, it's probably the last time we'll ever see each other." 838 01:06:51,980 --> 01:06:54,580 He shook his head and said "Yeah, I know", 839 01:06:54,580 --> 01:06:56,980 then he died a few days later. 840 01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:24,580 It was very hard to record the first album, we had no money. 841 01:07:24,580 --> 01:07:29,260 {\an8} Everyone thought we were not able to do it. 842 01:07:29,740 --> 01:07:35,300 {\an8} Chris said "We need to go to Europe, it's the only place where I can still make it." 843 01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:37,460 I'd had that conversation with Chris. 844 01:07:37,460 --> 01:07:42,260 We talked about L.A., U.S... It's nothing. 845 01:07:42,260 --> 01:07:45,740 Over there, you're a rockstar, over here, you're a has-been. 846 01:07:45,780 --> 01:07:48,940 The opportunities aren't here for you, why don't you go to Europe? 847 01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:53,860 I got rid of everything I had: my car, my dog... 848 01:07:53,860 --> 01:07:57,860 It was everything I'd ever known, I lived there my whole life, you know. 849 01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:11,140 {\an8} Tell the camera who won pool! 850 01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:46,180 That was a good mess! 851 01:09:12,860 --> 01:09:15,500 I love you, man! 852 01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:17,580 - Is your mom still alive? - Oh yeah! 853 01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:19,020 I love your mom! 854 01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:20,540 She's still going. 855 01:09:20,540 --> 01:09:22,940 Drinking vodka with your mom and filming... 856 01:09:22,940 --> 01:09:24,500 That was thirty years ago. 857 01:09:28,180 --> 01:09:33,140 I'm so glad I don't drink anymore! 858 01:09:33,980 --> 01:09:35,900 I quit drinking twenty years ago. 859 01:09:36,260 --> 01:09:39,740 - Welcome to Halifax! - Is this Halifax? 860 01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:45,260 Hi, I'm Paul, I'm from Halifax. 861 01:09:45,260 --> 01:09:49,980 I sell fancy dress for Halloween, carnival, that sort of things. 862 01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:54,460 Chris kindly agreed to a personal meet & greet 863 01:09:54,460 --> 01:09:58,460 and jam session with my band. 864 01:09:58,460 --> 01:10:01,340 I grew up listening to W.A.S.P. 865 01:10:01,340 --> 01:10:05,500 from 1985... 866 01:10:05,500 --> 01:10:08,380 Chris inspired me to pick up a guitar and learn to play. 867 01:10:08,380 --> 01:10:12,580 Finally, I have the chance to invite Chris and the band here, 868 01:10:12,580 --> 01:10:17,620 so it's kind of a privilege to be able to do that. 869 01:10:17,620 --> 01:10:19,900 It's Chris Holmes, it's not W.A.S.P. 870 01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:22,020 Chris Holmes was part of that band. 871 01:10:22,020 --> 01:10:24,540 He's singing, he's got his style, 872 01:10:24,540 --> 01:10:26,540 and he sounds great: he's rock n' roll. 873 01:10:26,540 --> 01:10:28,860 Chris, give me a hug, man. 874 01:10:28,860 --> 01:10:31,580 We're going to see him again. 875 01:10:31,580 --> 01:10:34,100 He was the same guy, 27 years ago: 876 01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:37,420 polite, a gentleman, true to his fans, 877 01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:40,180 and he just enjoys playing the guitar. 878 01:10:56,220 --> 01:10:58,380 Oh, Mean Man! 879 01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:01,940 - You're gonna play "Fuck Like a Beast" tonight? - Hell yeah! 880 01:11:01,940 --> 01:11:04,060 Blackie won't play it anymore. 881 01:11:04,060 --> 01:11:07,740 {\an8} My first time listening to W.A.S.P. was about when the first L.P. came out. 882 01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:10,820 {\an8} In 1984, I saw them at the Lyceum in London, 883 01:11:10,820 --> 01:11:13,060 {\an8} it was their first gig there. 884 01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:14,940 {\an8} It's my favorite band of all time. 885 01:11:53,140 --> 01:11:56,460 All of my life, 886 01:11:56,460 --> 01:11:59,940 especially when I was young, 887 01:12:00,860 --> 01:12:07,700 I couldn't understand where they all come from. 888 01:12:07,940 --> 01:12:12,020 I spend the last few months in here. 889 01:12:15,660 --> 01:12:19,460 Going to rehearsal with the drums, and bass and everything, 890 01:12:19,460 --> 01:12:22,780 putting up with three other guys, which takes time and money... 891 01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:26,140 It's easier just doing it all here in pre-production. 892 01:12:26,140 --> 01:12:30,580 And I can figure out if I can sing on a song or not. 893 01:12:30,580 --> 01:12:35,020 Ug sits over here. He's my little dog, Ug. 894 01:12:38,340 --> 01:12:41,740 His name's Ug 'cause he's ugly. 895 01:12:44,940 --> 01:12:48,260 I'm lucky I can play guitar, 896 01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:50,140 I can program the drums, 897 01:12:50,140 --> 01:12:52,220 and I can sing and do it all myself. 898 01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:55,460 I don't need anybody sit here and help me do it. 899 01:12:55,460 --> 01:12:59,020 I'm very lucky I've learned all those things. 900 01:13:00,980 --> 01:13:02,860 It's funny! 901 01:13:02,860 --> 01:13:04,980 Chris can live in any place: 902 01:13:04,980 --> 01:13:08,460 live in France, live in America, but he needs to come visit at least. 903 01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:11,580 If he wants to live in France, great, but come visit America, 904 01:13:11,580 --> 01:13:13,060 'cause I know he misses it. 905 01:13:13,060 --> 01:13:16,020 - Do we think he's gonna come back? - We hope he comes back someday. 906 01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:19,060 Hopefully, he'll come through with his band. 907 01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:24,060 My big dream is that he's gonna call me and say "Jim, I'm going to be playing in L.A., 908 01:13:24,060 --> 01:13:26,980 I need you for this day and this day", and I'm gonna say "I'm there". 909 01:13:26,980 --> 01:13:30,180 He told me he'd never come back. I think he's homesick. 910 01:13:30,180 --> 01:13:33,380 I'm pretty sure he's homesick. He wants In-N-Out Burger or something... 911 01:13:33,380 --> 01:13:34,820 He's a wild man, 912 01:13:34,820 --> 01:13:39,660 but inside that guy, you've got a heart of gold, 913 01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:41,980 someone that couldn't be more genuine. 914 01:13:41,980 --> 01:13:45,620 He's a sweet person, got a heart of gold, but he's got the anger and the rebellion, 915 01:13:45,620 --> 01:13:50,100 and he's got the balls, like I do, to say what he thinks and play what he feels. 916 01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:53,860 That's why I love it, man, 'cause he'll tell right to your face: "fuck you!" 917 01:13:53,860 --> 01:13:57,060 He'll tell you right to your face: fuck you! 918 01:14:16,220 --> 01:14:19,380 We're in Cannes, we're in the recording studio, 919 01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:22,100 recording the songs for my E.P. 920 01:14:26,780 --> 01:14:29,940 That means we've got eight tracks of guitar, right? 921 01:14:30,420 --> 01:14:32,060 That's alright. 922 01:14:33,460 --> 01:14:34,780 Barely enough... 923 01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:38,300 I'd put fuckin' 52 if I could. 924 01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:42,420 As you see, we're doing it in a proper studio, 925 01:14:42,420 --> 01:14:47,180 other than the way I've recorded the last previous projects. 926 01:14:48,180 --> 01:14:50,260 Yeah, it should sound good. 927 01:15:04,420 --> 01:15:06,860 Thank you for comin' here! 928 01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:13,860 Everyone, get up for Mr. Chris Holmes!! 929 01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:17,660 I've been doin' it a long time. 930 01:15:17,660 --> 01:15:21,060 Fuck, I'm 61 next month! 931 01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:43,460 Once the energy is gone, I wouldn't play, I'd quit. 932 01:15:43,460 --> 01:15:47,380 That's what I play: it's energy that comes out of the way I play guitar. 933 01:15:47,380 --> 01:15:51,060 If that wasn't there, I'd totally quit playing and do something else. 934 01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:53,700 I'd give it up, but it's still there when I play. 935 01:15:54,020 --> 01:15:57,580 I had a problem with my hand last year. 936 01:15:57,580 --> 01:15:59,860 Something has happened to my elbow, 937 01:15:59,860 --> 01:16:02,580 and my hand's still numb. 938 01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:06,020 I just learned to play with my fingers a different way, it's ok. 939 01:16:06,020 --> 01:16:08,700 That's just the way it is. 940 01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:10,500 My sister, she goes: 941 01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:13,860 "I didn't expect him to live past 30." 942 01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:17,060 Well now I'm 60, and I'm still going. 943 01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:27,260 I'll do my band, my thing, start this and... 944 01:16:28,420 --> 01:16:31,340 if it fails, it fails, and if it doesn't, it doesn't... 945 01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:36,180 I'll make sure it's gonna kick ass on stage. 946 01:16:37,340 --> 01:16:40,300 That's my main thing, that's what I do. 947 01:16:40,300 --> 01:16:43,260 Thank you very much, I love you! 948 01:16:44,340 --> 01:16:46,740 I would say good night, but it's not night: 949 01:16:46,740 --> 01:16:48,540 good day! 950 01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,175 That's my last word.