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I came in contact with a woman there
and we got talking.

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She was speaking about God and Jesus.

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Suddenly, she says,
"This never would have happened

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if the Bride of Christ was here."

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So I said,
"Really? Where is she, then?"

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And she answers,
"The Bride of Christ is in London."

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"But what would she do
if she was here in Knutby?"

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She says, "She lives over there." And
she points to a house further down.

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We're rolling. Yes.

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- We're in London right now.
- I'm zooming in.

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In Kingsway Hall, on Queen Street.
We're at the hotel.

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Peter Gembäck phones and says

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that Alexandra has been shot
and Daniel has been shot.

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So now anything could happen.

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Is there someone here in London
that might shoot Asa?

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I remember that day, I was...
I was paranoid.

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I was absolutely terrified
of everything.

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I suspected that everything
was some kind of plot

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or that there might be someone
that would shoot Asa,

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or something like that.

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I told myself I needed to say calm.
I needed to think rationally.

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We believed that Asa would die.
But Alexandra? It was the wrong sister.

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It's not...
The whole thing is so twisted.

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Asa was going to be with Jesus.
That was our top priority.

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- Emergency 112. How may I help you?
- I don't know.

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I just came in.
There's blood everywhere.

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In Knutby.

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Shock and despair spread
throughout the little town of Knutby.

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The murder of a young woman and
the attempted murder of her neighbor

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is in stark contrast
to this quiet, peaceful community.

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It's one of the most bizarre criminal
cases in Sweden in modern time.

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A web of religion,
sex and cruel, callous murder

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unprecedented in the judicial history
of Sweden.

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Who is the driving force
behind all of this?

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It's an important piece of evidence
that has been manipulated.

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It plants seeds of doubt
among the public.

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Is this what actually happened?

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This is a difficult time,
but we believe in God.

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We're here for one another.
We're not giving up.

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The murder trial of the pastor
and the nanny began this morning.

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The nanny confessed to the murder
of the pastor's wife.

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Together with strong
forensic evidence,

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prosecutors have decided to charge her
with murder and attempted murder.

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Prosecutors say the pastor
incited her to murder

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and are therefore charging him
with instigating murder in both cases.

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- What sentence will you demand?
- A life sentence.

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The fact is,
this case is about murder.

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It concerns the defendants,
Sara Svensson and Helge Fossmo.

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Whether or not
the congregation in Knutby

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is a hierarchical sect
that brainwashes its members,

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or if Asa Waldau believes
she's the Bride of Christ

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are issues that I think have little
to do with the crimes committed.

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The police and prosecutor know

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that Asa Waldau is known
as the Bride of Christ.

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It is not known exactly
how much power she has.

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But she is a central figure.
Leif Spanbo knows this.

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He wants to interview her,
but isn't given the opportunity.

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- I didn't realize that.
- Neither did I.

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A high-ranking policeman
in this investigation,

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at the top level, that they're at odds

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as to how this investigation
should be conducted.

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Did you take any other action
as regards the Bride of Christ?

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No, she was interviewed once more.
We wanted to know

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who drove them to Arlanda Airport
on January 8

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when they were flying to London.

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Even though you knew
that this might be a sect

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you let the matter rest?
Asa's telephone wasn't tapped...

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No, she was not suspected
of any crime.

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God comes to us through our salvation
and when we're free from sin,

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but God can't give us everything
that He wants to give us

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unless we give ourselves to the Lord.
Cleanse...

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I'll read from the Book of Isaiah 58.

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When did the Knutby story begin,
as you see it?

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It starts when Kim Wincent
and Per-Arne Waldau

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travel to Uppsala
and bring Asa Waldau to Knutby.

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Why do you think it starts there?

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Because prior to that it was just
an ordinary Pentecostal congregation.

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But after that it began to change
and became something else,

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that is the Knutby sect
that we know today.

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Rigmor Robért,
you meet a lot of people

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with connections
to the Knutby congregation.

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How did you come in contact
with these people?

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I wrote an article that was published
on Holy Thursday, 2004,

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a few months after the murder
and attempted murder.

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After that article was published,
relatives contacted me.

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The staff at the Knutby school
and former members contacted me

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and they all said the same thing.

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"What you're saying is something
that we recognize from inside."

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I had understood something
about Asa Waldau

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as regards her personality.

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This dream of marrying Jesus

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and the position of importance
it gave her in the congregation.

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She outwardly denied things

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that members
of the congregation had to cover up

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so they became part
of these double standards.

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This went on right up to 2016
when the congregation was dissolved.

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First of all, I believe
that God speaks through me

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in order to help others.

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It's not like I'm saying,
"God is speaking."

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If a person is in need,

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I think that God very often speaks
and that can be...

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I very seldom use the phrase,
"So says the Lord"

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but I know when God wants
to say something to a person.

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He wants to say, "You need this."

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Or "This is the path,"
or what's right and wrong.

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If I speak God's words,
I'm not expecting,

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"Oh, how great you are!
You speak God's words."

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I'm just happy to receive a message
from God, that I understand God.

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She was a colorful character.
Her teachings were challenging

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in a way I hadn't experienced before.

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She gave the impression that
she knew what she was talking about.

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There was never any doubt
in what she had to say.

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A person who reaches the point,
"I do not need to be corrected,"

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is actually at a point
where they need to be corrected.

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It was really inspiring,

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that God was so close every day.

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It wasn't just on Sundays,
He was there every day, all the time.

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And everyone wanted to live
as purely and holy as possible.

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I do not demand
that anyone does what I say,

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but I expect them to,
and sure, it's tough.

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If you say that you believe,
then I expect you to be true to that.

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She talks a lot about
what she calls purity.

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What's wrong, what's right
and how to live our lives.

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That was very much her hallmark.

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If you see something in yourself
that's wrong,

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then you should deal with it or...
things like that.

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I believe that love is to say,
"That's not the way to live your life."

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I do not demand
that anyone should change.

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But if I see that someone is taking
the wrong path for some reason,

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then I don't mince my words
and I'm not afraid to do that.

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When I look back,
there's one thing that I realize today.

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It was a warning signal back then.

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I remember when we were standing
in the chapel kitchen.

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She looked me straight in the eye
and said,

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"If you move here it will be for life."

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I didn't take it seriously
at the time,

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but I thought about it afterwards.
She told me then.

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And she meant it.

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"In the depth of my being, my love
for you was born, beautiful and pure.

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You look at me and I surrender.
When I close my eyes you are there.

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A queen's glory. Beautiful all through.
Created to be by my side always."

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Has she written this down as if
Jesus said these words to her?

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Yes, but it's a prophecy.
This is what awaits her.

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Asa says that Jesus
has started calling her Tirsa.

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It says here, "Tirsa, you are
the loveliest in creation."

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"Do not fear.
I have everything in my hand."

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"Would I let you go? Never."

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Then this goes on into something
of a more sexual nature.

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Then Asa starts describing
what Jesus will do with her

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when they meet, that is.

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"I long to touch you
and satisfy your desires.

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I want to make love to you,
give you the love you deserve."

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I want to caress you gently.

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You will reach a much
higher level of pleasure.

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It is, in truth,
a splendorous cascade."

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- This term, Bride of Christ.
- Yes... Sorry.

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Well, you may laugh,
but there are many who say

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that you are the one that coined
that phrase concerning Asa.

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No, however I'm the one
who was responsible for teaching

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that the congregation
is not the Bride of Jesus.

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This is what is very...

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Was it the spring of '99?
Helge asks us to come by.

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He wanted to share something
that God had revealed to him.

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Before we even got there,
we had this feeling,

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"We're going to experience
something special. What can it be?"

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So he started by telling us
that everyone is loved by God.

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God loves every individual, 100%.

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But God has favorites.

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There are people
that he loves more than others.

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And after he held
this 45-60 minute briefing,

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he explained
that God had revealed to him

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that Asa was elected
for something special.

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We didn't know what.
We just know that this was so.

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And then we were sent home,
more or less

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to pray for this, to ask God
and wait and see.

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And we will find out
what is true and what is false.

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My only prayer

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is that in this message
we have received

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it will become visible to us
who God is.

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And then I'll be happy when I see
how we stand before Him.

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And love him.

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There are interpretations
in the Bible

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that suggest that
the Bride is a human being.

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That she existed,
that she would come and so on.

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Not all traditional Christianity
says that it's a congregation.

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And the Bible
definitely doesn't say that.

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I think it started when I felt
that I would like to buy a ring

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that would serve as a sign for myself

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that I promised to be faithful to God.

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I remember that I said
it would be like an engagement.

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I hope that I'm not terribly wrong
when I say

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that I think
I actually bought that ring.

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That was when I, before God,

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have this moment of...
a confirmation of what I believed.

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The ring represents a covenant
with God and Helge is with me.

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It's, "Holy cow, the congregation
is the Bride of Christ".

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The accepted norm within
the Pentecostal movement

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is that the congregation
is the Bride of Christ.

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And that's not strange,
because Paul says,

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"I have betrothed you
as a virgin with Christ."

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So what Paul says is,
the congregation is a bride.

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But Helge gets stuck into Psalm 45.

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And Psalm 45 has a huge impact
on the whole Knutby situation.

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It doesn't say congregation in
the Bible. That's an interpretation.

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And then it's described as a wedding

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between what is very clearly Jesus
and a bride.

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I've had one theory
and it's the classical one

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that the congregation is the bride,

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but we discovered
that this was not the case.

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She gave Helge Fossmo the task

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of finding out everything
about the bride.

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And Helge Fossmo
was very compliant.

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They were very close at that time.

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He understood what she wanted
and he had this trait

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in their relationship,
he wanted to make her happy.

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"Yes, maybe that's it!"
This amazement.

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So they had this very
special and strange

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and actually unhappy,
closeness to each other.

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The truth is,
we are not the Bride of Jesus.

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Jesus is not going to marry
millions of men and women.

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We are wedding guests at a wedding.

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Well, maybe Jesus is going to marry.

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Maybe there is a queen.
Maybe there is a physical person.

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And as far as we know
this is what he said to Asa.

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"If the bride is a human being
then it must be you."

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I don't think Asa Waldau would
have ended up where she is

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if she didn't have Helge Fossmo
by her side.

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And I don't think that Helge Fossmo
would have ended up where he is

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if he hadn't met Asa Waldau.

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They were like pouring petrol on a fire
for each other, I think.

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UPPSALA DISTRICT COURT

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Take it easy.

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The court was shown
a crime reconstruction video

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of how the nanny
shot her victims in Knutby.

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This caused the nanny to break down
and leave the courtroom in tears.

236
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I go inside and close
the door carefully,

237
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but leave it open just a little bit.

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I don't close the door fully.

239
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And in my pocket I've got...

240
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I have four extra bullets.

241
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I've also got my asthma inhaler
and a torch.

242
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I have my mobile phone. I have
my galoshes that I left outside

243
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and I've got extra gloves.

244
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I hold the revolver in my left hand.

245
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My right hand is free.

246
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When I come into the utility room,
I listen to see if it's quiet.

247
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And then I walk slowly...

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towards the utility room door
that was closed.

249
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I open it slowly and quietly.

250
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,840
Everyone likes Sara.

251
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She's a really charming, funny,
intelligent and forward girl.

252
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,800
And she's very... How do I put it?

253
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,360
She's very eager to please.

254
00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,040
She's always willing to help
and she's very caring.

255
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It must have been
around 2000, 2001,

256
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Sara is given a more prominent role.

257
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Not in the congregation,
I wouldn't say that,

258
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but in relation to Asa
and Helge especially.

259
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,440
She becomes a person
that somehow...

260
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I won't say she swallows it,

261
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,080
but she takes this Bride
of Christ idea very seriously

262
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and takes a strong position
on it in relation to Asa.

263
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,680
Which means that she's given a role

264
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that places her close
to Asa and Helge.

265
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Helge has...
Ever since I moved there,

266
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he has been very spiritual,
if I can put it that way.

267
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Spectacular things happen around him.

268
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:03,440
And he took on this role
like a warrior in battle.

269
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A battle for...
If Asa really is the Bride of Christ,

270
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if there are people for this
there will be forces against it.

271
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If this is what perfects creation

272
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that Jesus gets his woman,
then the Devil's spiritual power

273
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will get in the way of her
reaching her destination.

274
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And Sara joined him in that quest.

275
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This is all positive at first,

276
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but slowly and surely...
You get the feeling

277
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that Sara overtakes Asa
at one stage.

278
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Asa is very happy
that Sara and Helge pray

279
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and embark on a spiritual quest
for Asa.

280
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,480
But soon it's not about Asa anymore.

281
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Helge is saying it's about
something more important.

282
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Asa becomes jealous.
If there's one thing you should avoid,

283
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it's making Asa jealous.

284
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,440
If she gets jealous...
the gates of hell open.

285
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,040
All of a sudden
Sara became wrong.

286
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,520
Asa says that she is wrong.

287
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,520
She has become a temptress.

288
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,760
She's no longer the person
she used to be.

289
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,560
Asa created a theology on this.

290
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,880
Prior to this, Sara had been
a support for Helge.

291
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,480
But now Sara was a temptation
that Helge would have to overcome.

292
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,320
Sara fell into disfavor with Asa.

293
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,920
Falling into disfavor with Asa means
everyone else turns against you too.

294
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,480
Everyone else did the same.
We turned our backs on Sara.

295
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,760
She was with Helge.
He was good for her.

296
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,480
He took care of her
and anyway, she was wrong.

297
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,040
So we were active in creating

298
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,760
this void that she ended up in,
together with Helge.

299
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,720
That's when I think
she really fell apart

300
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,960
and everyone was against her.

301
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,320
GOD I BEG FOR MERCY!

302
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,320
MERCY!

303
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,680
Regarding the Bride...
we're waiting for the return of Jesus.

304
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,520
We believe that the world
will end one day.

305
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,640
I wish that I could say otherwise,
but I believe that.

306
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,720
I wish that everyone would believe
that too. That's all that I long for.

307
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,400
We're living in the last time.
Our time here is soon over.

308
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,600
Jesus will return.

309
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,920
If you have lost your way, if you're
on the wrong side of the person,

310
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who's entering a union with Him,
you're pretty much finished.

311
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,800
This means that you are lost
when your time here is over.

312
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,320
You don't have much time left
to change.

313
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,480
What happens if it's too late?

314
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,960
You've completely missed the point.
You'll end up in hell.

315
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,800
I mean it when I say that it was
a matter of life and death.

316
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,880
You want to go to heaven.
That was the whole objective.

317
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,520
Asa Waldau didn't say in court
that she was the Bride of Christ.

318
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,480
Neither did she say what her role was.

319
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,560
The police and prosecutor
don't seem interested.

320
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,400
They say it has nothing to do with it.

321
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,080
But on the other hand,
it's not surprising,

322
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,400
because this is
all pretty complicated,

323
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,120
but it's possible to grasp
at the trial.

324
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,720
Helge Fossmo conspired
to murder his wife

325
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,800
and his mistress's husband.
He got Sara Svensson to shoot them.

326
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,440
Asa Waldau's sister Alexandra
is found murdered.

327
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,280
And she's actually in London.

328
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,240
As for the police and prosecutor,
she's a victim with an alibi.

329
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,520
Absolutely,
but even if she was in London,

330
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,760
she's always here.

331
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,680
The leader of the congregation.
Bride of Christ.

332
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,120
She's the most important person
on earth for all of these people.

333
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Every waking second,
every breath they take, is for her.

334
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,360
She permeates everything.

335
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,640
Asa Waldau's power relationship

336
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,720
over Sara Svensson
hasn't been investigated.

337
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,040
And Asa is still Sara's leader.

338
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,680
- But this power relationship?
- That has been investigated.

339
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,680
They came a long way with that.

340
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,840
Text messages, interviews,
phone calls.

341
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,200
There are police interviews
with these people

342
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,800
where they touch upon
the Bride of Christ,

343
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,200
but where all but one person is lying.

344
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,000
They all say, "We don't believe
in any Bride of Christ."

345
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,400
- So it's difficult, obviously.
- The question is, would they talk?

346
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,480
No, but there is one person
that they have gotten through to.

347
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,280
That is Sara.
She talked about Helge, her pastor.

348
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,360
It's a pity they didn't focus more

349
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,280
on Sara's relationship with Asa
and ask more questions about that.

350
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,120
It was like reading
from a horror novel

351
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,720
when the nanny
gave her crucial testimony.

352
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,360
The pastor followed the proceedings
from another room,

353
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,680
as his presence might interfere
with the nanny's testimony.

354
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,400
Tell the court about
what happened in Vaggeryd.

355
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,600
Okay.

356
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:13,680
While I was in Vaggeryd, I received
an anonymous text message.

357
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,400
This is what the message said,

358
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:24,560
"It could have been over in 12 hours,
but it's still not too late for you.

359
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Before the 25th,
you can still set him and her free.

360
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,960
A high price, yes. You can do it."

361
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:39,080
For the protocol, Your Honor,
can you say what she's reading from?

362
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,800
She's still reading
from her own notes.

363
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,600
He wasn't allowed in the courtroom

364
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,480
when Sara gave
her extremely long testimony,

365
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,280
which she had written down
in great detail, like a long story.

366
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,280
She felt that his presence
would affect her.

367
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,760
What amazed me was the number
of details in her testimony.

368
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,640
She had written down
the minutest details,

369
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,280
to even the sound of snow
under her shoe.

370
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,400
This may sound like I was very naive

371
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:22,840
and perhaps I was,
but I have to say that Helge...

372
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,920
He really played the part.

373
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,720
He explained to me
that this was the path I had to take.

374
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,080
I had to kill Alexandra.
I had to carry this out.

375
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,800
I believed him. I trusted Helge.

376
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,520
And you see,
if you've lived so close to someone

377
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,960
and all you've seen is love,
you've only heard good words...

378
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,040
And I asked him, "Did you send
those text messages to me?"

379
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,360
And Helge became angry,
"How could you accuse me?"

380
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,320
So I trusted him.

381
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,920
PSYCHIATRIC REPORT

382
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,320
While she's under interrogation,
prior to the trial,

383
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,680
Sara is also undergoing
a forensic psychiatric evaluation.

384
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,000
She is deemed mentally ill eventually,
isn't that right?

385
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,800
The 26-year-old woman has undergone

386
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,600
a minor forensic
psychiatric evaluation.

387
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,600
She was suffering
from a serious mental condition

388
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,800
at the time of the crimes.

389
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,720
"You get the impression
she's willing to please.

390
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,400
She's easy to control. She doesn't seem
to have an inner self, an identity."

391
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,160
This is interesting too.

392
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:54,000
"It seems that Sara Svensson's
obvious ability to please others

393
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,360
works too
in the interrogation situation.

394
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,360
And the normality we see is a mirror
image of the environment she's in."

395
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,360
This is interesting
because it means it's not specific

396
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,560
to Sara and the Knutby environment.

397
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,400
- Then she sees the psychologists.
- Yes.

398
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,960
- She tells them what they want to hear.
- Yes.

399
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,560
This is going on while
she is under interrogation.

400
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,440
She's in a different environment
for a period of three or four months.

401
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,920
Yes.

402
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960
You wonder, does she behave
the same way there?

403
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,920
Is she giving the police the answers
that she thinks they want to hear?

404
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,280
I've read the three police interviews.
The police say at one point,

405
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440
"Did you call him?"

406
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,040
They want to find who did what.

407
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:49,000
She says, "I don't remember exactly,
but I say I can't do it and I turn back.

408
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,080
I remember that I call him
and tell him that."

409
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,400
"Not according to our phone records."
"Okay."

410
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,440
"Mm, are you sure
you remember correctly?"

411
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,600
"No, I'm guessing.
But if it was explained to me,

412
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,280
then maybe I'd remember correctly.
I can't really say."

413
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,000
"According to our phone records,
Helge called you."

414
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,960
"Mm, okay.
Well, then that's how it was."

415
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,840
It's quite unsettling
when you read it like that.

416
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,920
Can one be delusional
and still speak the truth?

417
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,840
Yes, I'm convinced that one can.

418
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,000
In my opinion,
her testimony is credible.

419
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,600
We've been able to verify quite a lot.

420
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,520
Interrogating officers
were at first surprised

421
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,680
that she could commit murder.

422
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,520
She's kind-hearted,
nice, gentle, warm.

423
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,080
And somehow
she has done something that...

424
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,360
She committed a crime
that she has confessed to.

425
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,520
I think a lot of people
find this hard to believe.

426
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,280
There isn't a lot of time left...

427
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,880
Sara was both under interrogation

428
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,960
and undergoing a psychiatric evaluation
at the same time.

429
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,960
Did that influence
your view of her at all?

430
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,480
No.

431
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,520
Some of the interviews were conducted
in conjunction with the evaluation.

432
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,280
Okay. Yes, that's...
Yes, that's possible.

433
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760
Could one have influenced
the other,

434
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,280
the psychiatric evaluation conducted
at the same time as the interrogation?

435
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,360
Isn't there a risk that they might
infect each other or get mixed up?

436
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,720
We don't know what
the forensic psychiatrists are doing.

437
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,280
They conduct their interviews
with her and we conduct ours.

438
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,200
We do our own thing.

439
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,320
Anton, you read from one of the three
interviews was in dialogue form,

440
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:53,280
but all the other interviews,
all 18, are summaries.

441
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,800
It's like the police have given their
own interpretation of what went on.

442
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,560
And I've found an example
from interview number 13.

443
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,440
It went on from 11:00 a.m.
until 16:30 p.m.

444
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,400
- Five and a half hours.
- Summarized in four pages.

445
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,400
We must remember that one hour
of interview equals about ten pages.

446
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,720
So this should be
roughly 55 pages long.

447
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,360
- Yes, and we've got four?
- We've got four.

448
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,840
That's what I call a summary.

449
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,640
We'll never know what went on
during those five and a half hours.

450
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,200
Well, Sara...

451
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:42,000
this revolver that you got to hold
before the crime scene reconstruction,

452
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,080
how does it feel
compared to the other one?

453
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:47,800
It feels heavier.

454
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,120
And bigger.

455
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,280
And then I receive
the next text message,

456
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,600
"You need to make your decision.
Don't think about if.

457
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,840
Find a safe solution.
You are proving your love

458
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,840
when you set him free. He needs that.
He has almost reached his limit."

459
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Solution.
I have to find a safe solution.

460
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,520
I have to find a solution
that I can handle.

461
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,200
I didn't know how much
I could handle.

462
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,160
I'm small. I'm frail.

463
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:27,240
How am I supposed to find a solution
to bring Alexandra home?

464
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,720
And then Helge says, in passing,

465
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,520
"Well, you call sell your shares
and buy a weapon."

466
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000
"You will prove your love
by releasing him.

467
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,360
He needs this.
He has almost reached his limit."

468
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:50,560
- What do you mean by that?
- Once again, I'm being pastoral.

469
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,720
Because this is...

470
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,640
The Book of Job tells us
that God always has his witness.

471
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,880
The Letter to the Romans tells us

472
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,240
that Jesus sits on the right hand
of the Father... Let me finish!

473
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,800
Sara says that she needs
to decide if it's a weapon.

474
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,360
I fully understand her explanation.

475
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,360
I know it's difficult
for you to understand.

476
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,840
You're not used to thinking
in Biblical terms.

477
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,160
I'll elaborate a bit.

478
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,280
But isn't it true to say that you
have no explanation

479
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,760
because what Sara says
is the truth?

480
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,760
What Sara says is not the truth.
I have an explanation for that.

481
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,800
Anyone that wants to understand
can understand.

482
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,920
This is what it was like
in the courtroom.

483
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,160
Her testimony was allowed
to unfold undisturbed, while he...

484
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,960
they were much harder on him.

485
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:53,520
Sara's testimony set the tone
in the evidence against him.

486
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,640
So they let her speak.

487
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,400
She could talk about her feelings,
her behavior and so on.

488
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,120
After a while I met Farid.

489
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,800
An older man from Morocco at
Plattan, Sergels Torg, Stockholm.

490
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,040
I ask him if he knows of anyone
who sells guns.

491
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,040
At first, he says that he doesn't.

492
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,360
And I think I start crying
because I'm at my wits' end.

493
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,200
And then I say that a friend of mine
is in danger

494
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,120
and she needs something
that will protect her.

495
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,960
She's putting a lot of thought into

496
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,520
what the text messages
are encouraging her to do.

497
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,480
She goes to Plattan,

498
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,200
because she knows that's where
she'll find what she needs.

499
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,960
Sergels Torg in Stockholm.

500
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,320
She's given a gun, or she buys a gun,

501
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,440
and then she learns to shoot it.
She's given some instructions.

502
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:06,440
It's still a bit of a mystery
how this young girl

503
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,720
pulled this off without being tricked.

504
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Well, she was tricked in a way,
but she's wasn't harmed

505
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:16,000
even though she mixed
with these people.

506
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,760
I learnt that I should
put my finger further in.

507
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,880
And this gave me the strength
to pull the trigger.

508
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,840
Because after all,
a girl's fingers are not very strong.

509
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,440
On the 19th, I sell even more shares

510
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:41,040
because on the 18th,
I lost 15,000 krona.

511
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,400
Someone tricked me and I needed
more money to buy a gun.

512
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,000
And I did that.

513
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,720
How credible is this story?

514
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,960
- You mean how she got hold of the gun?
- Yes.

515
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:59,520
It isn't any more credible than
anything else in this investigation.

516
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Everything is possible and impossible.

517
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Take the aspect of religion,
everything is so abstract.

518
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,000
All this stuff that they're imagining,

519
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,960
but the whole congregation
really believed in this stuff.

520
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,240
It made it difficult for journalists,
and probably the judiciary,

521
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,240
to poke a hole in their reasoning.

522
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:31,120
How do you do that? How do you
question something that doesn't exist?

523
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,400
"The car owned by Sara's father,
which Sara uses, is parked 100 meters

524
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,040
from the scene on the night
of the murder in a wooded area.

525
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,000
As it had snowed a few days earlier,
police could easily detect

526
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,240
footprints around the car.

527
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,960
It was concluded that Sara had never
walked from where the car was parked.

528
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,720
She had only walked to the car
after the murder."

529
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,440
"Knutby, a travesty of justice."

530
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Yes. "An extremely good memory."

531
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,080
- Dick Sundevall wrote this.
- Yes.

532
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,120
The first thing I reacted to was

533
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:24,280
what Sara says about the tracks
in the snow to and from her car.

534
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,000
That didn't add up.

535
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,240
Sara walked from the car and back.

536
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,280
It's very clear from this picture.
What is this?

537
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,360
I read the forensics report,

538
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,200
the coroner's report
and police interviews.

539
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:45,120
She can't explain how
Alexandra Fossmo was murdered.

540
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,000
She drew sketches
of where she parked the car.

541
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,520
She walked the same route
to and from the crime scene.

542
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,680
- Look here, in the same tracks.
- Yes, indeed. I think we need a map.

543
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,560
This is what the police presented
and this is Sara's own sketch.

544
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:11,800
Like this... Parking area. Parking area.
Here's the road.

545
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:17,280
She illustrates how she walked here
and took the same route back.

546
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,160
- That's what she says.
- She starts and finishes here.

547
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:27,480
- But the police say it started here.
- That's quite a difference.

548
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,280
Yes, the tracks to the car.

549
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,640
This has been used as evidence
in court. Everyone has seen it.

550
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,680
The prosecutor, the lawyers.

551
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,600
You would expect there to be
questions about this.

552
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,240
Number one.
These two accounts don't add up.

553
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,680
Number two. Why do the tracks start
in one spot and end in another?

554
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,880
Precisely.

555
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,360
Over there.
That's where the tracks begin.

556
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,680
- Inside that pole there.
- Right beside the telephone pole.

557
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,000
And there's a hill there.
You can see Asa's house behind it.

558
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,800
- Yes.
- It must be...

559
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,960
There's a car coming...

560
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,600
- She must have come up here.
- Yes.

561
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,240
Up this hill.

562
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,960
And then here, where we're standing.

563
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,840
In this direction.

564
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,000
So after the crime,
someone definitely walked here.

565
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,800
But on their way to the crime
from the car, no one.

566
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,840
One would imagine
that during the trial

567
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:35,240
someone would ask,
"Did you get a lift?"

568
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,200
Mm, indeed.

569
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,320
As if someone drops her here.

570
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,920
And then drives up there,
parks the car and waits.

571
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,600
For her until she's finished.

572
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,400
But well...

573
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:11,440
I walk in without hesitating...
over here.

574
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,640
Here I raise the revolver
and point it towards the body.

575
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,360
I pull the trigger.

576
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:25,040
I hear Alexandra cry out
rather faintly,

577
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:31,560
but she doesn't move at all.
She's lying completely still.

578
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:38,000
After firing the shot,
I quickly move over here.

579
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,480
I aim for the head
and fire the second shot.

580
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,800
- How far is that?
- This is wrong.

581
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,840
This doesn't correspond
with what the police say.

582
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,520
It doesn't add up.

583
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,720
And then a strange silence

584
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,000
envelopes the room.

585
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,160
Yes.

586
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,520
And I'm still not sure
that I succeeded in shooting her,

587
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,480
so I take two steps forward...

588
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,040
This is the last shot.

589
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,600
And I aim once more at her head.

590
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,840
- How far is that?
- That's wrong too.

591
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,480
Yes, Dick Sundevall
was of the same opinion.

592
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,560
"Sara said that she stood
by the side of the bed

593
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,680
and fired from between one and a half
and two meters."

594
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,200
That doesn't tally
with the forensics report.

595
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,680
I was just looking at that.
It says here,

596
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,400
"Two shots were fired from the gun

597
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,400
directly towards the bedspread
over Alexandra's head,

598
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,120
So-called close contact range."

599
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,280
It says in the autopsy report
that these shots were fatal.

600
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,600
Close contact? What's the definition?

601
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,720
Yes, well, let's see.

602
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:02,120
"The gun has been in contact
or in close contact with the target."

603
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,000
Like this, or this possibly,
in close contact.

604
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,080
- Yes. How far away is she, a meter?
- A meter.

605
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,160
But the shot before that...
also close contact.

606
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,400
She's on the other side of the bed.
That's two meters away.

607
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,640
- That's not close contact.
- No, none of this adds up.

608
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:27,920
Maybe that's why the prosecutor
brings this up in her closing argument.

609
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,400
Here.

610
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,920
The parts of her testimony that could
be verified were shown to be true,

611
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,080
except one point. That is the one
relating to the distance

612
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,680
from which the shots
to Alexandra's head were fired.

613
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,760
The forensics report states
that the shots

614
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,880
are so-called close contact shots,
which means

615
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,520
that the revolver was held against,
or close to the head when fired.

616
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,120
Sara states that the shots
were fired from a distance

617
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,840
of at least half a meter.

618
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,440
An explanation as to why Sara
may be mistaken about the distance

619
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,040
is that it was relatively dark
in the bedroom.

620
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,040
Also, Alexandra had both the duvet
and bedspread over her head,

621
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,360
which made estimating
the distance difficult.

622
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,080
Another explanation
may be that it felt awful

623
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:21,280
to hold a gun to someone's head

624
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,960
and therefore she suppressed
this memory afterwards.

625
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,880
Regardless of the reason, Sara's
incorrect account on this detail

626
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:35,360
does not diminish
the credibility of her testimony.

627
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,080
It's interesting that
she calls it "a detail".

628
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,640
In this interview from January 13,

629
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,720
the police ask Sara
where she's standing,

630
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,160
"Two meters from the headboard maybe.
Or 1.5, I'm not sure.

631
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,240
That's when I fire the second shot.

632
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,040
"Towards?" They ask.
"Towards the head," she says.

633
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,360
How far was the barrel
from her head at that point?

634
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,680
One to one and a half meters maybe.

635
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,520
You know
that the interrogating officer knows

636
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,160
that the forensics report
says something else.

637
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,200
He says, "You say you feel unsure
of yourself with this gun and aim."

638
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,040
"Yes", says Sara. "Did you plan
on going up close and firing?"

639
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,280
A leading question.

640
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,200
She says, "I would find it hard
to press it against her head."

641
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,560
And she goes on,
but the point is, this is a person

642
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:27,520
that goes out of her way
to please people,

643
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,400
but on this single important point
she is not people-pleasing.

644
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,400
And we know that she is extremely good
at remembering things.

645
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,800
The prosecutor says
that she may have suppressed this.

646
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:45,440
It's interesting that when she doesn't
remember, she must have suppressed it.

647
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,920
In the single most important moment
of this act,

648
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,040
when those fatal shots are fired,

649
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,720
she doesn't succeed in giving
a correct account of events.

650
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,680
And I think...

651
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,520
putting a gun here, or very close,

652
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,960
at close contact range, can you
really suppress something like that?

653
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,720
Let's agree with the prosecutor,
this is just "a detail",

654
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,720
but it still doesn't explain
the first shot.

655
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,600
Because if we are
to believe what Sara says,

656
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,120
she shoots Alexandra in the hip.

657
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,440
That shot is not fatal
and it doesn't even wake her.

658
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,480
Yes, it seems like
she doesn't even move

659
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,120
from the time the first shot is fired.

660
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,760
She lies completely still
and then she's shot in the head.

661
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,240
Precisely.

662
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Let's say you were run over by a car.

663
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,480
You don't feel
a lot of pain immediately,

664
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:50,160
because the adrenalin kicks in,
but she was shot with a revolver

665
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,080
that according
to the forensics report,

666
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:58,560
produced a sound level
of 102.9 dB, at the lowest.

667
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,000
It's like switching on a power saw,

668
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,200
drilling a hole in a wall,
or starting a disco.

669
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,680
It should wake her.

670
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:11,000
One month earlier she woke up when
she was hit on the head with a hammer.

671
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,680
So why doesn't Alexandra wake up
a month later

672
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,640
when she's shot in the hip?

673
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,840
There is no mention of this in court.

674
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,000
We can sit here discussing it,

675
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,680
but these questions
should have been asked in court.

676
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,680
Here's a person that has been shot
in the hip and doesn't wake up.

677
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,120
But it's like...

678
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,640
Sara confesses so...
"This is what happened."

679
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,680
I didn't want to do it.
I really didn't want to do...

680
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,720
what I did.

681
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,360
I had no personal motive. Who did?

682
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,520
Who was the driving force
behind all of this?

683
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,600
Well...